[Accessibility] Import stop signs for blind persons in Katowice, Poland

[Łukasz Taraszka]

Hello,

Thanks for your responses!

It's quite hard to respond to all of the messages in order. I've placed the
citations and responses below.

Martin Koppenhoefer

> thank you for notifying this list. Please be sure to also follow the
> import guidelines and discuss your plan on the imports list and with the
> Polish list.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

I tried but I've some small problems because of my alias mail but I plan to
do this today.

is this explicitly signposted (door position of the vehicle)? Generally we
> have stop positions for public transport route relations (on the road)
> and/or the highway=bus_stop node (and similar for trams) should be at the
> stop position (both are indicating the front of the vehicle, not
> necessarily identical to the door position)
>
These positions are not good enough for blind because of two reasons:
1. The application is guiding blind people to the place on a street, where
a bus or tram stops. This position could be slightly different than the
place where are the doors of a bus are and in some cases could be dangerous
(blind people could go on a street or rails in case of flat sidewalk).
2. Transportation companies (GTFS providers) are sharing stop signs
positions and they provide the most updated and reliable data. Uploading
this data to OSM would be very simple.

my suggestion would be „ref“ or maybe „ref:<shortname of your
> dataset/external source>=*“ if these should be imported at all
>
So for example *ref:ztm*
I plan to create a procedure and the software to import data to other
cities. I think the name should be more universal than the local db name.
What do you think?
What about *blind:stop_numer *and *blind:stop_id*?

Alessandro Sarretta

>
>    - you say (
>    https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/luktar/Stop_signs_for_blind#Missing_stop_signs)
>    that current objects in OSM are not enough for blind people, but in the
>    examples  (
>    https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/luktar/Stop_signs_for_blind#Tagging_Plans)
>    you're reusing those tags. Are you proposing just to add the new tags
>    stop_no and stop_id to the existing ones?
>
> Good point. I wrote here (
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/luktar/Stop_signs_for_blind#Solution)
that: "The idea is to add stop signs where they don’t exist or add required
tags to existing stop signs."
In most of the places there are notstop_signs - instead of that there are
only stop_positions - places on a street/rails where the bus/tram will
stop. In this case new object should be added.
But there are places where there are stop_positions and stop_signs. In this
case the stop_sign should be updated with additional tags.
Example: Rybnik - Kościuszki:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=20/50.09197/18.54794


>    - regarding stop_no, I would suggest something different (stop_n or
>    simply stop_number) because stop_no seems to me that there is no stop :-)
>
> stop_number is convincing me :)

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> Sorry, im. Not blind OR an expert, when  you ha e your app. Developed i
> can sjare ir
>
Sorry, I don't understand :(

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Best regards,
Taraszka Łukasz

wt., 25 sie 2020 o 11:43 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
napisał(a):

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> sent from a phone
> > On 25. Aug 2020, at 09:43, Alessandro Sarretta <
> alessandro.sarretta at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > regarding stop_no, I would suggest something different (stop_n or simply
> stop_number) because stop_no seems to me that there is no stop :-)
>
>
> my suggestion would be „ref“ or maybe „ref:<shortname of your
> dataset/external source>=*“ if these should be imported at all
>
>
> Cheers Martin
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