[OSM-dev] Social component

[Stefan de Konink]

Hi Frederik,


Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Stefan de Konink wrote:
>> Hence my C implementation of what they are trying to build. I'll not 
>> start with my 0.6 until the specs are finished 
> 
> You are not, 

http://thuis.konink.de/api/0.5/way/7062297

Sure looks like it; mmm... WMS/WFS seems functional too.

> at least not from what I read on the mailing lists,

Maybe you should read the Wiki instead, it is a documentation platform 
that is usually flamed about on this mailinglist. ("The wiki defines the 
database")

Offline messages between interested people that mail me privately about 
the project. Talks in person with the talk-nl members.


> I don't even know what you're doing 
> exactly, every now and then there is a post from you pointing to some 
> git repository somewhere where you have some undocumented code that uses 
> some allegedly superior database system and does something with OSM data 
> where everything that is bad about OSM is somehow much better, "of course".

So you don't know what I am doing, and are still commenting on it...
I think the main argument I gave before for being better or worse is the 
normalisation aspect.

> "I am so clever and you are so stupid, look hwo 
> my software does everything better than your software" we're hearing 
> from you.

Actually the hole project was intentionally silent until there was an 
actual implementation to prevent the above lines, hence the original 
name "The Secret Alternative API Server". Now I wonder; it might have 
been better I waited to publish the source tree until it allowed to 
proxy all OSM request to OSM, without access to any of the OSM 
authentication. (Second thought; that might have been interpreted as 
fork... and you would be saying; omg he is taking over the project. Look 
he got all the Dutchies!)

At our position we are talking with government to government hosted data 
with OSM data. In real GIS applications. So really, if I should prove my 
point by writing a book first (yours is great btw) I'm happy to do so. 
But after my thesis on why the database methods I use are /superior/ 
opposed to application layer parsing, to write it in your own words.


> The same with OSM; your 
> work is without any use for OSM if it comes wrapped in an attitude like 
> "take this hint from a genius, you losers".

Please; the only thing you are trying to do is daemonize me. Is this 
method used after someone produced OSM code and you/Richard/Andy cannot 
use the non sense about people not doing something for the project. 
Sorry I'm smiling :)


> If you really want to improve OSM then you'll have to change that 
> attitude; as things stand, your contributions are just an exercise in 
> narcissism. Which is sad because I can see that you have a lot of clever 
> ideas - you just need to work on the packaging. Having a clever idea is 
> one thing, but a project like OSM requires some social skills as well.

To be honest, of course I see what I am doing here (by intend in the 
early afternoon), but deliberate playing on someone because he supports 
an idea and is not coding is a bit stupid, if the person that is coding 
made the original argument. That scares people away.

Now you write you find my ideas cleaver in the last paragraph, please be 
consistent. I have always been open about my work after it was finished, 
and what the scope behind it was and only referred that it can actually 
be used in production if I got the database software developers to 
implement time based views on the set, or if someone was stupid enough 
to implement a changeset layer before 0.6 was finished. Probably I will 
do both myself because nobody picks it up :)


For anyone that wants to try the above it is runnig on a DSL line; if 
someone wants to solve the one blocker I have with mapserver in order to 
draw polygons with the original OSM data, before I publish the VM, 
contacting me in private is always possible.



Stefan