[OSM-dev] aviation maps?

Jeffrey Johnson ortelius at gmail.com
Wed Aug 11 18:15:27 BST 2010

Will have to jump in with a full response later, but have any of you
checked out AIXM?


Also note that in some (many!) countries the Civil Aviation
Authorities are privatized and they claim absolute copyright over the
aviation data for that country. Beware the nasty cease and desist
letter, I received them in the past.


On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Ákos Maróy <akos at maroy.hu> wrote:
> Julio,
>> We talked about an OpenAeroMap with Ivan Sanchez back in Amsterdam
>> (SoTM2009), but when Ivan told the crowd about the idea, the reception
>> went from simple skepticism to total disagreement (security issues
>> being one of the main reasons).
> oh my :) well, let's leave the security skeptics for themselves. in
> general, aviation maps are as basic a necessity for safe transportation
> as road maps and road signs are. and they are freely available to
> anyone, who is willing to buy such maps - similarly to road maps.
>> Anyway, I started using man_made=beacon tags long before that to mark
>> the VOR/DME, NDB, etc. stations/antennas in the ground. Now I see that
>> the user cbm probably runned an automatic process adding a
>> seamark=beacon tag to this nodes
>> (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/444066894/history), and
>> added a seamark=beacon, airmark=beacon distinction tags to the wiki
>> article (quite reasonable IMHO).
> sounds interesting. how would one then make this information visible on
> the generated map? is there a way to describe the rendering process so
> that such points are rendered in something what is 'usual' on an
> aviation map?
>> My opinion is that air routes are as compatible with OSM as sea routes
>> are. I agree that final approach charts (For example:
>> http://www.aipchile.cl/dasa/aip_chile_con_contenido/aipmap/SCVM/SCVM%20IAC1.pdf)
>> may be too complex (specially for big airports with dozens of
>> approaches) and sometimes fast changing, but the general airways (For
>> example: http://www.aipchile.cl/dasa/aip_chile_con_contenido/aipmap/Cartas%20Aeronauticas/SUPERIOR%204.pdf)
>> are perfectly usable. They may seem overcrowded, but it is just the
>> effect of huge areas being covered in just one chart.
> I totally agree. for one thing, these do change, but the changes are
> published well in advance for everyone to prepare.
> OTOH, approach charts will be trick to handle, as there are several
> charts for the same area, depending on VFR or IFR approaches, or even
> depending on which approach one uses. thus this has to be handled a bit
> specially, as sort of 'a number of charts for the same, reasonably small
> area', of which only one should be shown at a time. moreover a
> 'recommended' zoom level and clipping / orientation is also desirable here.
>> If the consensus is to keep this data out of OSM I hope you are able
>> to organize it somewhere else and do some OpenCycleMaps style mashup
>> with OSM.
>> My non-poisoning two cents.
> thank you - most probably this would be a good way to go.
> what I still don't understand is, and sorry for being so
> un-knowledgable, is how the rendering process is handled - from
> vector-based OSM map definitions to map tiles.
> Akos
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