[OSM-dev] The new link on the OSM map

Thu Aug 8 15:08:31 UTC 2013

On 2013-08-08 14:49, Tom MacWright wrote:
> Is it really a terrible weight to update JOSM to recognize the new
> format? Given that JOSM is on version 6,115 and this is essentially a
> 'changing a regex' type situation.

Is that a reason to do it? Because other changes are not hard? What _is_ 
the reason to change it to this format? Is there a reason at all?

> Can we stop calling any feature that changes the behavior of the site
> "a major step backwards"? Yes, things are different and possibly some
> use case you had is different or harder, but realize on the other side
> this is (1) generally a beneficial change and (2) the result of a
> volunteer already slogging through tens or hundreds of comments on a
> GitHub queue and finally getting it through. And, finally, it's
> merged... and the first thing we hear is negative criticism about a
> corner case that says "you did a bad thing entirely". This is why
> nobody wants to code on openstreetmap-website.

Sure, I understand that it may not be welcome to critise changes that 
somebody worked hard on, but what do  you expect, that everything that 
is done is Good and Proper and you rather not hear critisism? What 
planet are you on?

And do you know what it is? Somebody puts a request somewhere that they 
want it changed, some coder implements it and only then the world knows 
about it and the rest of the world has to change their behaviour because 
one person wanted it changed. Do-ocracy at work.
I never before heard "oh, I would like the URL format changed", or "it's 
better to have the URL geolocation change when you move the map". That 
last one was only vaguely mentioned when it came to light that the 
permalink generation was changed. And even then I didn't see the 
consequence.
Basically: there is no permalink anymore. There is an export link but no 
permalink. Someone changed the whole meaning of the thing. What I said 
before: perfectly good functionality has been removed. And I do not see 
the step forward in that.

Regards,
Maarten

> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:36 AM, Peter Wendorff
> <wendorff at uni-paderborn.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Maarten,
> the benefit with the new link format, where position and layers are
> constantly stored in the part after the hash (#) is that browsers don't
> need or assume to need a reload.
> If you change the address (before the #) completely, a reload of the
> page is necessary, that was the case up to the change.
> Now it's not necessary to reload the page to get the correct link in 
> the
> address bar.
> What you complain is of course an argument straight in the opposite
> direction, but both ways are perfectly valid.
> You are in fact right that it's not possible any more to determine from
> the link which part of the coordinate is latitude and which is
> longitude, but it's consistently the same any time, so that's not that
> big problem either.
> Probably the hash format could better be extended by lat/lon to be
> something like #z=15/lat=51.2/lon=8.7
> 
> Your complaint about reloading the page to get the initial view back is
> IMHO an unusual one as it assumes that you go to the page with a direct
> link to a defined position; something which is possible with osm.org 
> [1],
> but something nobody cared about in the last days probably.
> For this wish I don't have a solution combining your demand with the
> benefits of the new hash-format, but probably even there is a solution
> possible.
> 
> regards
> Peter
> 
> Am 08.08.2013 09:16, schrieb Maarten Deen:
> 
> On 2013-08-08 09:08, Maarten Deen wrote:
> Very nice that the main map now shows a link as standard, but why does
> the format have to be changed? Now JOSM needs to be changed because it
> does not recognise this type of link.
> What was wrong with the old lat= and lon= style? From this link I can
> not see what the latitude and longitude is. I have to know in which
> order it is.
> 
> I'm sorry, but IMHO this is yet another step backward.
> 
> Added complaint: before, I could zoom in, move the map, do whatever I
> wanted and then reload the screen and I got the initial view back. Now
> the map link changes when you zoom or move the map, making it difficult
> to get the initial view back. You have to remember to copy the link and
> than paste it back again otherwise you will never get the initial view.
> Please get the old style link and working back. The fact that there is
> no direct visible link to the map is now the least of the problems.
> 
> Regards,
> Maarten
> 
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