[diversity-talk] NYC local disagreement

[Steve Singer]

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013, alyssa wright wrote:

> Thanks, Serge for more of the history and context. I would be interested 
> in looking at your original documents and discussing if it's 
> possible/appropriate to resurrect some of these conversations.
>
> Alyssa.

In case people people haven't been able to find this.

You can find the draft OSM code of conduct Serge is referring to here 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_Code_of_Conduct_%28Draft%29
That page also includes links to some of the discussions about this on -talk

It is based on the Ubuntu code of conduct, KDE also appears to use this as a 
base (http://www.kde.org/code-of-conduct/).  The Mozilla project has a bit 
different approach http://www.mozilla.org/about/policies/participation.html)

The Mozilla document has an explicit statements saying that disagreements 
and tough debates are good along with a recommended course of action to take 
if you encounter problems.



>
> On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Serge Wroclawski <emacsen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Darrell Fuhriman <darrell at garnix.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I totally understand the foundation not wanting to get involved in individual disagreements, that doesn't absolve the foundation (or the community generally) from their responsibility to ensure that the community is as inclusive as possible.
>>
>> Darrell,
>>
>> When we founded the US chapter, one of my first agenda items was the
>> creation of a Community Code of Conduct, one that would serve not only
>> the US, but we could use as a boilerplate for the Foundation.
>>
>> At the time, this wasn't a popular idea and while I had several
>> drafts, they were never voted on, either by the US Chapter, nor the
>> OSMF. There were also several serious concerned raised about having
>> such a process, ones that I never had a good answer to (such as where
>> to draw the relationship line, who would be voting on these issues,
>> what the process for voting would be, what to do about amendments or
>> changes, and if having a formal document might actually harm the
>> community by creating a series of rules.
>>
>> While I was the person who wanted a Code of Conduct, I did not have a
>> good answer to these questions, and we had other, more immediate
>> concerns.
>>
>> If someone would like to work on this I believe my drafts were either
>> on the OSM wiki, or on Google Docs, and I can dig them out if they'd
>> be of interest.
>>
>> As for the relationship between local groups and either the OSMF or
>> the national chapters, that's a bit unclear. When we founded the US
>> Chapter, we discussed creating a formalized relationship between the
>> Chapter and the local groups, but those discussions did not result in
>> any formal proposal.
>>
>> I'm certainly encouraged that this issue is being brought up again, I
>> think that having a Community Code of Conduct is important, and I'd be
>> happy to participate in re-engaging that process either as part of the
>> US Chapter, or OSMF.
>>
>> - Serge
>>
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