[diversity-talk] NYC local disagreement

[alyssa wright]

Thanks Steve. I also support recommendations of best practices and a process for conflict resolutions that are at the discretion of local teams to follow. 

Alyssa.



On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Steve Singer <steve at ssinger.info> wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Jun 2013, alyssa wright wrote:
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>> Further, it's not clear to me how we can have theoretical conversations about anti-harassment policies for conferences with any integrity if we're not going to support best practices at the local level.
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>> Alyssa.
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> You have need to keep a few things in mind
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> 1. Building a diverse community means trying to find ways to be inclusive of people from all types of social and cultural backgrounds. An acceptable and normal way for two people of a particular background in new-york city to discuss something might be considered very culturally inappropriate in some parts of Asia, or even other local parts of the US.  I am very nervous about trying to enforce any particular external cultural values on a local community.  I realize that some behaviours are unacceptable anywhere but I have much more faith in local groups who meet in person being able to deal with these behaviours than I do in some stranger from 'the internet'  policing stuff.
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> 2. The issue of local group sovereignty came up recently in a different context on a different list. Different groups related to OSM stuff form for different purposes. If I want to form group with 2 neighbors to walk around my town , while doing jumping jacks and mapping bike racks, then we are free to do this.  OSMF doesn't have any right to tell us how we should organize our group.
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> I'd like to see this list come up with recommendations and best practices that local groups can choose to implement to increase their diversity and inclusiveness but I get very uncomfortable with trying to enforce policies on local groups.
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> To be clear, my comments above are addressing issues related to local groups not to OSMF sanctioned working groups or conferences.
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>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:03 AM, Richard Weait <richard at weait.com> wrote:
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>>> For the record, the local meetup in NYC has no connection to
>>> OpenStreetMap Foundation.  I'm not aware of any local meeting with
>>> official standing, be it a Meetup, a Mappy Hour, Mapping Party, etc.
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>>> I think we're all better off, and more welcoming as an international
>>> community, If local, personal disagreements can be kept local.  And
>>> settled there.
>>> 
>>> Emailing personal grievances to a wider list while writing from an
>>> "angry, hurt, and upset space" seems likely to extend the cooling off
>>> time required and delay any potential discussion.
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