[diversity-talk] Further Discussion on Increasing Diversity

Wed Mar 26 15:12:24 UTC 2014

Kate & lists,

If you mean, Wed, 2 April then yes, count me in.

As fodder for the discussion, here's an article about a college trying to
make CS studies more inclusive: http://tinyurl.com/ltl8yhr There are some
transferable lessons for the OSM community.

I'm cross-posting this reply to teachosm list because I've come to the
conclusion that the route to diversity is goes directly through education
and outreach. If we train middle- and high-schoolers to get involved
mapping at a younger age, we stand a better chance at broadening the base
of contributors. But we need an effort that scales and can be pitched
toward a younger audience.

Perhaps we can talk about this on the Wed call and tee up a follow-up
birds-of-a-feather session the upcoming State o' the Map conference.

SEJ

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incomplete data.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> How about we schedule a meeting next week to discuss some possible
> steps? If I suggest Wednesday at 14:00 UTC does that work for most
> people that are interested?
>
> I'll volunteer HOT's mumble server(1) for the discuss unless someone
> wants to volunteer a conference call line (which works
> internationally).
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Kate
>
> (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I just wanted to share this article on editathons aimed at closing the
> > gender gap in Wikipedia(1).
> >
> > Another item we could think about for mapping parties is to have a
> > diversity statement. Groups could simply link to it on their meet-up
> > page or whatever software they are using to organize.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Kate
> > (1)
> http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2014/02/edit-a-thons-aim-to-erase-wikipedias-gender-gap
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Randal Hale
> > <rjhale at northrivergeographic.com> wrote:
> >> I think the biggest problem in general is attracting new people - be
> they
> >> black white male female or green.
> >>
> >> OSM is a niche thing - It doesn't matter what is done with new editors
> and
> >> new ideas - your typical user isn't going to muck around in the wiki
> (which
> >> is a mess) OR get on a talk list and hope to get one of the people that
> >> don't consider OSM their own personal playground.
> >>
> >> If you want to learn OSM on the WIKI one of the first things covered it
> >> loading GPX data - once again new users don't care about that (maybe
> when
> >> they get more advanced - yes). The LearnOSM site is good - BUT - which
> is
> >> definitive? The wiki OR the LearnOSM site (or maybe they both have
> their own
> >> merits.
> >>
> >> I always try to look at it from a "win" perspective - how does OSM win?
> For
> >> me it's a win if I can convince an elderly  person to map their
> neighborhood
> >> or a kid to map their elementary school or something they enjoy. I have
> >> tried these very things - but knowing I would be the portal into OSM -
> there
> >> isn't a good spot for them to get that type of support and
> understanding and
> >> get questions answered. I spent a wonderful amount of time in the US
> Virgin
> >> Islands working this previous summer - and that was always something I
> >> wondered about "How can I convince a resident to show what they "love"
> on
> >> OSM - be it their neighborhood or school or church?" The second question
> >> became if I do this - "who will they end up talking to if they get
> active".
> >> The second question always worried me.
> >>
> >> We've had conversations on this end about the "community map" aspect to
> OSM
> >> - is it really just that? We've been beating a dead horse on other talk
> >> lists on "OSM Community" - and I think that is something that needs
> >> definition - who do you want in OSM? Is it everyone? Is it only a select
> >> group? What is the current community? How is that defined?
> >>
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >> -----------------
> >> Randal Hale, GISP
> >> North River Geographic Systems, Inc
> >> http://www.northrivergeographic.com
> >> 423.653.3611 rjhale at northrivergeographic.com
> >> rjhale at northrivergeographic.com
> >> twitter:rjhale
> >> http://about.me/rjhale
> >>
> >> On 02/13/2014 08:29 AM, Alex Barth wrote:
> >>
> >> My top two priorities for increasing diversity, especially at events,
> are:
> >>
> >> - Appeal to newcomers. We're never going to create diversity with the
> people
> >> who are already part of OSM, so I try to make sure I'm speaking to the
> >> people who I haven't met yet rather than the crowd who's in the know.
> >> - I make a personal effort to reach out to women to get involved.
> Diversity
> >> is not just more women, I know, but this is actionable.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Fozy 81 <fozy81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I'd be interested to attend a meeting on Diversity.
> >>>
> >>> And on mapping parties/meetups. The wiki could be updated to include a
> few
> >>> tips on how to be inclusive.
> >>>
> >>> So in my experience - first I started in a pub on a week night. And to
> be
> >>> honest that is an easy way to start (no room hire, convenient, beer).
> And
> >>> nothing wrong with that . But have made the effort to mix it up with
> >>> different venues and times to possibly attract different groups (which
> has
> >>> worked to some extent).
> >>>
> >>> So I guess, the main thing is to run an event - it's a fun thing to do
> and
> >>> will gather the existing community and may attract new people. But
> IMHO if
> >>> you are planning on running a series of events - try to mix the venues,
> >>> times and groups you are interacting with. And try to find different
> >>> contacts/ways to broadcast your event (social media, email, notices
> etc).
> >>>
> >>> + 1 all the advice on atmosphere/welcoming/questions etc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>>
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