[diversity-talk] Further Discussion on Increasing Diversity

Thu Mar 27 14:27:18 UTC 2014

I won't be able to make April 2nd. Is it possible to speak on Monday, March
31st?

Thanks,
Alyssa.

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 5:38 AM, Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com> wrote:

> Hi Steven,
>
> Yes April 2nd.
>
> I agree I think education is very important way to get people
> interested. HOT has been in the midst of a "University Roadshow"
> within Indonesia. We will have introduced 11 universities to
> OpenStreetMap as well as given students a chance to sign-up for
> workshops.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Kate
>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Steven Johnson <sejohnson8 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Kate & lists,
> >
> > If you mean, Wed, 2 April then yes, count me in.
> >
> > As fodder for the discussion, here's an article about a college trying to
> > make CS studies more inclusive: http://tinyurl.com/ltl8yhr There are
> some
> > transferable lessons for the OSM community.
> >
> > I'm cross-posting this reply to teachosm list because I've come to the
> > conclusion that the route to diversity is goes directly through education
> > and outreach. If we train middle- and high-schoolers to get involved
> mapping
> > at a younger age, we stand a better chance at broadening the base of
> > contributors. But we need an effort that scales and can be pitched
> toward a
> > younger audience.
> >
> > Perhaps we can talk about this on the Wed call and tee up a follow-up
> > birds-of-a-feather session the upcoming State o' the Map conference.
> >
> > SEJ
> >
> > -- SEJ
> > -- twitter: @geomantic
> > -- skype: sejohnson8
> >
> > There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate
> from
> > incomplete data.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> How about we schedule a meeting next week to discuss some possible
> >> steps? If I suggest Wednesday at 14:00 UTC does that work for most
> >> people that are interested?
> >>
> >> I'll volunteer HOT's mumble server(1) for the discuss unless someone
> >> wants to volunteer a conference call line (which works
> >> internationally).
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> -Kate
> >>
> >> (1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mumble
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Hi All,
> >> >
> >> > I just wanted to share this article on editathons aimed at closing the
> >> > gender gap in Wikipedia(1).
> >> >
> >> > Another item we could think about for mapping parties is to have a
> >> > diversity statement. Groups could simply link to it on their meet-up
> >> > page or whatever software they are using to organize.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > -Kate
> >> > (1)
> >> >
> http://blogs.kcrw.com/whichwayla/2014/02/edit-a-thons-aim-to-erase-wikipedias-gender-gap
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Randal Hale
> >> > <rjhale at northrivergeographic.com> wrote:
> >> >> I think the biggest problem in general is attracting new people - be
> >> >> they
> >> >> black white male female or green.
> >> >>
> >> >> OSM is a niche thing - It doesn't matter what is done with new
> editors
> >> >> and
> >> >> new ideas - your typical user isn't going to muck around in the wiki
> >> >> (which
> >> >> is a mess) OR get on a talk list and hope to get one of the people
> that
> >> >> don't consider OSM their own personal playground.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you want to learn OSM on the WIKI one of the first things covered
> it
> >> >> loading GPX data - once again new users don't care about that (maybe
> >> >> when
> >> >> they get more advanced - yes). The LearnOSM site is good - BUT -
> which
> >> >> is
> >> >> definitive? The wiki OR the LearnOSM site (or maybe they both have
> >> >> their own
> >> >> merits.
> >> >>
> >> >> I always try to look at it from a "win" perspective - how does OSM
> win?
> >> >> For
> >> >> me it's a win if I can convince an elderly  person to map their
> >> >> neighborhood
> >> >> or a kid to map their elementary school or something they enjoy. I
> have
> >> >> tried these very things - but knowing I would be the portal into OSM
> -
> >> >> there
> >> >> isn't a good spot for them to get that type of support and
> >> >> understanding and
> >> >> get questions answered. I spent a wonderful amount of time in the US
> >> >> Virgin
> >> >> Islands working this previous summer - and that was always something
> I
> >> >> wondered about "How can I convince a resident to show what they
> "love"
> >> >> on
> >> >> OSM - be it their neighborhood or school or church?" The second
> >> >> question
> >> >> became if I do this - "who will they end up talking to if they get
> >> >> active".
> >> >> The second question always worried me.
> >> >>
> >> >> We've had conversations on this end about the "community map" aspect
> to
> >> >> OSM
> >> >> - is it really just that? We've been beating a dead horse on other
> talk
> >> >> lists on "OSM Community" - and I think that is something that needs
> >> >> definition - who do you want in OSM? Is it everyone? Is it only a
> >> >> select
> >> >> group? What is the current community? How is that defined?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Randy
> >> >>
> >> >> -----------------
> >> >> Randal Hale, GISP
> >> >> North River Geographic Systems, Inc
> >> >> http://www.northrivergeographic.com
> >> >> 423.653.3611 rjhale at northrivergeographic.com
> >> >> rjhale at northrivergeographic.com
> >> >> twitter:rjhale
> >> >> http://about.me/rjhale
> >> >>
> >> >> On 02/13/2014 08:29 AM, Alex Barth wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My top two priorities for increasing diversity, especially at events,
> >> >> are:
> >> >>
> >> >> - Appeal to newcomers. We're never going to create diversity with the
> >> >> people
> >> >> who are already part of OSM, so I try to make sure I'm speaking to
> the
> >> >> people who I haven't met yet rather than the crowd who's in the know.
> >> >> - I make a personal effort to reach out to women to get involved.
> >> >> Diversity
> >> >> is not just more women, I know, but this is actionable.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Fozy 81 <fozy81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi All,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yes, I'd be interested to attend a meeting on Diversity.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And on mapping parties/meetups. The wiki could be updated to
> include a
> >> >>> few
> >> >>> tips on how to be inclusive.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So in my experience - first I started in a pub on a week night. And
> to
> >> >>> be
> >> >>> honest that is an easy way to start (no room hire, convenient,
> beer).
> >> >>> And
> >> >>> nothing wrong with that . But have made the effort to mix it up with
> >> >>> different venues and times to possibly attract different groups
> (which
> >> >>> has
> >> >>> worked to some extent).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So I guess, the main thing is to run an event - it's a fun thing to
> do
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> will gather the existing community and may attract new people. But
> >> >>> IMHO if
> >> >>> you are planning on running a series of events - try to mix the
> >> >>> venues,
> >> >>> times and groups you are interacting with. And try to find different
> >> >>> contacts/ways to broadcast your event (social media, email, notices
> >> >>> etc).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> + 1 all the advice on atmosphere/welcoming/questions etc
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Tim
> >> >>>
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