[diversity-talk] OSM code of conduct: starting points

[Tom MacWright]

Serge's original statement of the problem is the source of this derail:

> The current mailing list CoC proposes public shaming and a "three  strikes"
rule

No: the CoC doesn't advise propose "public shaming".

> First occurrence: We’ll give you a friendly, but public reminder that the
behavior is inappropriate according to our guidelines.

This is not public shaming: it is simply reminding the mailing list as a
whole of the rules that everyone needs to follow.

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 10/10/2014 05:24 PM, Tom MacWright wrote:
> > There are certainly cases in which people's behavior or style will
> > diverge from the norm for reasons outside of their control, but given
> > the current content and intention of the CoC, that situation will be
> > dealt with appropriately and humanely.
>
> I understood the current content of the CoC to suggest calling out
> offending behaviour publicly as the first step.
>
> Serge then suggested that this might not be the right approach when
> dealing with neurodivergent people.
>
> If I understand you correctly, you're saying that we shouldn't worry
> about details as long as the intention is right.
>
> To me it seems that this whole CoC discussion is about writing down what
> one would assume to be self-evident, namely that we don't want to be
> assholes.
>
> Under these circumstances it strikes me as odd to argue for writing down
> one thing (namely, public calling out of offenders) while at the same
> time assuming that if push came to shove, people would do the decent
> thing (in this case, not calling out the offender publicly because they
> offended due to a condition outside of their control).
>
> This whole discussion is about *not* assuming that people do the decent
> thing by themselves, isn't it?
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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