[Diversity-talk] Who says we need a code of conduct?

[alyssa wright]

Thank you all for the generous emails. And results, Selene, are very
interesting.

I just wanted to chime in to say that I am so glad we are talking about -
and changing - such dynamics.

Best,
Alyssa.


On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 2:35 PM Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is a work in progress pull request to add reporting of abusive
> users.
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/1576
>
> That just add code for reporting problems. All of the thinking about
> communication and process (outside of issues the DWG already handles like
> spam and vandalism) has not happened yet -- and I think folks on this list
> should help design this.
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
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>
> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 1:24:16 PM EST, Selene Yang <
> seleneyang1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Russell, thank you for your response. This are some initial results
> from the International Gender Representation Survey that we're conducting
> from Geochicas:
> And if you haven't respond it yet, I invite you to do it here:
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf2-MoTnCgqc3Jnu1zValuh6enKzR_049k1aAQtR2sl9qEJsw/viewform
>
> This are just part of the results in English, we still need to process the
> responses in French, Spanish and Portuguese. But it gives you a little
> perspective on how harassment or hostile situations are perceived.
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> 2018-03-06 9:48 GMT-06:00 <russell.deffner at hotosm.org>:
>
> Dear Selene,
>
>
>
> First, I am sorry – to anyone who has to deal with ignorance and/or
> harassment in the broader OSM community. I won’t pretend I can exactly put
> myself in your shoes, but I know I wouldn’t want to be there. I want to
> help build an environment where we at least have a way to address
> harassment. I took a quick look over the main website and searched the wiki
> for “harassment” and it only comes up with Codes of Conduct for
> conferences. A search for similar terms also returns pretty much nothing.
> So taking away those of us who know other OSM people and those who are
> brave enough to speak out on a list, etc. – how many potentially valuable
> contributors have been harassed out of the project because there is
> apparently nothing you can do about it?
>
>
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> I see great people on this list who I have no doubt can write an amazing
> Code of Conduct and maybe enforce it on this list and get other list admins
> to do the same, great start, but we really need the fundamental governance
> mechanisms to be adopted and enforced at the OSMF.
>
>
>
> For clarity, I am a voting member of HOT and was their chair when we were
> in a similar situation and needed the mechanisms to enforce respectable
> behavior – which was not fun and took a long time. I am also a paying
> member of the OSM-US mainly because I run a few local meetups. But I am
> not, and will not be, a paying member of the OSMF until there is some
> significant work done to make OSM a safer community.
>
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> I urge everyone to pick their battles, but please – don’t feed the trolls,
>
> =Russ
>
>
>
> Russell Deffner
>
> Russell.Deffner at hotosm.org
>
>
>
> *From:* Selene Yang <seleneyang1 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 6, 2018 7:56 AM
> *To:* OSM Diversity <diversity-talk at openstreetmap. org
> <diversity-talk at openstreetmap.org>>
> *Subject:* [Diversity-talk] Who says we need a code of conduct?
>
>
>
> Hi! I wrote an entry in my OSM diary about diversity (https://www.openstreetmap.
> org/user/SeleneYang/diary/ 43446
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SeleneYang/diary/43446>)  in the
> community using the OSM Awards as an example, and one of the answers from
> an OSM collaborator was:
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>
>
> Comentario de cray33 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/cray33> el 6 de
> marzo de 2018 a las 10:03
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SeleneYang/diary/43446#comment41167>
>
> fuck diversity. A man and a woman are different from each other. You can't
> change the nature
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>
>
> So I guess... Who needs a CoC when we have such an inclusive and well
> mannered community. :sigh: This is not the first time I've read a violent
> response from a community member when it comes to gender related issues. I
> don't know if you recall the `man=made` vs  `human=made` debacle, and yet
> we're still here debating whether or not we need to enforce a CoC.
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> I'm truly disappointed in the community.
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> Thanks for reading.
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> Sele.
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>
> --
>
> Selene Yang Rappaccioli
> Candidata Doctoral en Comunicación
> Universidad Nacional de La Plata
> @SeleneYang
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>
> --
>
> Selene Yang Rappaccioli
> Candidata Doctoral en Comunicación
> Universidad Nacional de La Plata
> @SeleneYang
>
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