[Historic] Temporal Tagging

[Mikel Maron]

Robert,

The idea right now is to experiment with these issues on a separate infrastructure.
 
-Mikel

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron


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> From: Robert Warren <warren at muninn-project.org>
>To: historic at openstreetmap.org 
>Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [Historic] Temporal Tagging
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>No doubt that detail of tracking would appeal to some of the more hardcore historians. What you suggest also applies to buildings / amenities that have been repurposed to museums for examples. 
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>For movement, the only thing that I can think of is to encode time into sets of node/ways to account for movement and have the renderer deal with the problem. I'm not sure how well this will scale through.
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>Incidentally, is HOSM going to use the same database as OSM like OpenSeaMap does or is it going to be a separate store altogether?
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>rhw
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>On 2013-01-21, at 6:51 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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>> 2013/1/21 Robert Warren <warren at muninn-project.org>:
>>> Does anyone have any ideas about how to handle events that involve movement, such as forest fires or battlefields front lines?
>> 
>> 
>> There is also another kind of movement, think for instance of egyptian
>> obelisks: they used to stand for hundreds and thousands of years in
>> egypt, but were then transportated to other places (many of them are
>> in Rome). It would be interesting to have a relation between the
>> original place and the place they are now. There is a lot of other
>> stuff with similar characteristics/history but less prominence (e.g.
>> columns that have been taken after a war, moved and reintegrated into
>> newer structures, ...).
>> 
>> Spoils in general, if it is still known where they come from, are
>> examples for this phenomenon.
>> 
>> In other cases it might be disputable whether it makes sense to map
>> them in OSM, e.g. a metal sculpture that was molten and a different
>> sculpture in a different place was made of. An example that comes to
>> my mind is the victory column in Berlin:
>> * it was made after the German-French War of 1870/71 and errected in
>> front of the Reichstag:
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Reichstag_und_Siegess%C3%A4ule_um_1900.jpg
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.518251&mlon=13.372582&zoom=18&layers=M
>> * in the nazi times it was raised by one segment and moved from there
>> to their new East-West-axxis where it stands until now (the other
>> allies refused the french request to tear it down after 2nd WW):
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Siegess%C3%A4ule_nah_2.jpg
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.514533&mlon=13.350148&zoom=18&layers=M
>> On a microlevel there are cannons from the wars attached to the column
>> and there are bronze plates telling the story of the wars from the
>> contemporary German point of view which were made from conquered
>> cannons of these wars.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> Martin
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