[HOT] 1st Activation Working Group meeting report

Kate Chapman kate at maploser.com
Wed Mar 21 08:03:09 GMT 2012


Hey Sev,

I understood the suggestion, but there aren't that many people in
HOT's membership that are qualified in that way.  I certainly am not.

I think key instead is to make friends/partnerships with those already
in those positions so they know they can depend on us for support.

-Kate

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Séverin MENARD
<severin.menard at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK seems there are some misunderstandings cause I might not have been very
> clear. My idea was not HOT to train people to become emergency GIS officers
> but to think about how we could coordinate in emergency phases in the
> possibility one Hottie get such a position. As an example, I worked for OCHA
> after the 2010 Earthquake in Haiti during 2 months (so I know the MapAction
> people, their methodology, etc. as they were my colleagues during that time)
> then in Pakistan for WHO during the 2010 floods, and I was asked for Horn of
> Africa last year but was already involved in a mission in Haiti.  From my
> experience, I know the benefits the hum relief could get with a good
> coordination with the remote vtech communities. I also know that the UN Org
> can still not fully understand these benefits, and that the organizations
> hiring this kind of consultants for the UN may be kind of reluctant to work
> with the vtech communities, as they would like to appear as the unique or
> best solution. This is why I think we could try to think about what we could
> bring and formalize it on a document.
>
> Sev
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Mikel Maron <mikel_maron at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Strongly second Kate's view. Deployment to a disaster zone is very
>> complicated and risky endeavor.
>> We'd do best with our resources to support organizations like MapAction,
>> UN agencies, and NGOs, so that they can work with OSM and relate with HOT in
>> an efficient manner.
>> Probably the best way to help that happen is by HOTties training and
>> embedding with MapAction. Harry Wood has attended a weekend training,
>> previously, and I know they are very open to more.
>>
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com>
>> To: Fran Boon <francisboon at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Séverin MENARD <severin.menard at gmail.com>; hot at openstreetmap.org
>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [HOT] 1st Activation Working Group meeting report
>>
>> I personally think we should first focus on remote deployment.  If you
>> look at the way MapAction runs for example there is quite a bit of
>> infrastructure in place to support those deploying to the ground.  At
>> the moment I think we can be most effective by supporting responders
>> and then providing training during the recover period.  Or in the best
>> cases training and organization around preparedness.
>>
>> There have been discussions with potential partners before about
>> potential deployments, but I think HOT itself as an organization needs
>> some time before that can be a reality. Just the potentials of
>> insurance, making sure people are properly vaccinated and things like
>> that would keep me up at night.
>>
>> Additionally there just aren't that many people in HOT with the right
>> type of field experience right now.  Beyond activation procedures
>> there is a lot of training methodologies that would need to be worked
>> out first.  Though continuing with internship programs and workshops
>> is a good start.
>>
>> I'd also be interested to compare position descriptions for
>> preparedness to those for response.  They might not be exactly the
>> same.
>>
>> -Kate
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Fran Boon <francisboon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 16 March 2012 13:36, Séverin MENARD <severin.menard at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Soory I missed this chat but will be present to the next one.
>> >> Remote response apart, what should be our potential ground deployment ?
>> >>  I
>> >> think a ground team who would activate and train quickly the local
>> >> communities, could drive the HOT remote support, provide imagery
>> >> feedbacks
>> >> (precise GPS coordinates, interpretation, etc.) or even imagery itself
>> >> taken
>> >> by a drone (some tests are ongoing in Haiti) would make sense. IMHO
>> >> HOT's
>> >> kind of uniqueness is to be able to provide coordinated ground and
>> >> remote
>> >> response.
>> >
>> > Hi Severin,
>> >
>> > What you outline sounds great, however it requires an essential
>> > element which remote support doesn't: $
>> > A remote support can be done using relatively little volunteer time to
>> > set up & then it's up to the community how much they're able to engage
>> > in the actual work - as HOT we cannot be responsible for that - we
>> > just set up the infrastructure and make the call (being careful not to
>> > abuse this so we don't get volunteer fatigue).
>> >
>> > Ground support would either require HOT to have it's own funds or else
>> > to have the requesting Organisation sponsor it (even if the time was
>> > all donated).
>> > I agree that we should have a clause in about this and this can start
>> > by saying 'As HOT has no funds of it's own, a ground support request
>> > would require the requesting organisation to find funds for this'
>> > What else do we need to define around this?
>> > * Role descriptions (I know Kate has done this)
>> > * Being sure we don't send people out uninsured?
>> > * Being sure that people we send out are suitably qualified?
>> > * Being sure that people we send out are suitably equipped? (which
>> > might not require very much)
>> >
>> > Anything else?
>> >
>> > F
>> >
>> >
>> >> Severin
>> >>
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>> >>>   1. 1st Activation Working Group meeting report (Schuyler Erle)
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>> >>> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 00:22:42 +0530
>> >>> From: Schuyler Erle <schuyler at nocat.net>
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>> >>> Subject: [HOT] 1st Activation Working Group meeting report
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>> >>> Hello Team,
>> >>>
>> >>> Today we had the first meeting of the HOT Activation Working Group on
>> >>> the
>> >>> IRC channel.  The meeting lasted an hour. Pierre Beland, Fran Boon,
>> >>> Andrew
>> >>> Buck, Robert Banick, Harry Wood, and I participated.
>> >>>
>> >>> The stated objective of the working group is to develop a strategy and
>> >>> tactics for optimally allocating HOT's resources in response to
>> >>> humanitarian
>> >>> crisis. We noted that humanitarian crises range quite widely in
>> >>> severity and
>> >>> in level of international response, and that HOT's response should be
>> >>> commensurate with the degree to which our services will be used by
>> >>> responders on the ground.
>> >>>
>> >>> The substance of the discussion today revolved around identifying
>> >>> HOT's
>> >>> possible responses to crisis (including documenting data sources,
>> >>> acquiring
>> >>> imagery, setting up volunteer tasking services, and mobilizing
>> >>> volunteers),
>> >>> and working backwards to identify the triggers for those activities.
>> >>>
>> >>> We also discussed at length the distinction between "activation", and
>> >>> simply responding to requests made by partner organizations. We agreed
>> >>> (I
>> >>> believe) that prompt and reliable response to partner inquiries should
>> >>> be a
>> >>> priority for HOT and should be taken up as a subject for discussion
>> >>> and
>> >>> recommendation by the working group.
>> >>>
>> >>> I think that the working group members agreed to start documenting
>> >>> some of
>> >>> these ideas on the OSM wiki for further discussion. We also agreed
>> >>> after
>> >>> talking for an hour to pick up the discussion again one week from
>> >>> today, at
>> >>> 14:00 UTC on Thu 22 Mar 2012.
>> >>>
>> >>> The IRC log for today's meeting is here:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OpenStreetMap_Team/Activation_Working_Group_22_Mar_2012
>> >>>
>> >>> Hope to see those of you who are interested in the subject on #hot
>> >>> next
>> >>> Thursday! I'll send out a reminder a couple days ahead of time.
>> >>> Cheers!
>> >>>
>> >>> SDE
>> >>>
>> >>>
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