[HOT] CAR Activation; experienced mappers to finish the import of UNICEF data?

Rafael Avila Coya ravilacoya at gmail.com
Tue Dec 24 12:27:50 UTC 2013

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Hi, Séverin:

About the WRI I understand now. But bear in mind that there are areas
in W CAR without HRES Bing imagery.

About the fixme tag, and with a thourough check, I've seen that it
doesn't bear any relation with the lat/lon of all the schools in the
tile I did the import. Three examples:

École Saint Beris in Ca-Va 1 suburb, Berbérati city:
École Sainte Cécile in Barka-Basso village:
École Mixte de Babadja, in Babadja village:

The water nodes fixme tags do correspond to the lat/long of the fixme
tag though. And "lat" and "long" tags for hospitals are ok too. But
both "fixme" tag for water nodes and "lat"/"long" tags for hospitals
get wrong as soon as you move them to a better position. For example,
when I moved the Hôpital Régional de Berbérati, "lat" and "long" tag
values got wrong:

Hôpital Régional de Berbérati http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2590406457

So I wonder what's the point to keep, not only the "fixme" tags for
water nodes, but also the "lat"+"long" tags for the hospitals, unless
we want to keep the original UNICEF position somewhere in the tagging,
but in that case I think the name of the tags can be confusing. I will
just keep the lat and long tags of hospitals for now though, until a
decision is taken about it.

The "0" on the 'capacity:classrooms', 'capacity:pupils' and
'capacity:teachers' could be changed to "unknown" easily afterwards,
in case this import team decides to, so I don't see a big issue here.

Finaly, I find the operator=yes/no confusing. As it says the
key:operator wiki, "the operator tag is used to name a company,
corporation, person or any other entity who is in charge of the
operation of a certain map object". But "yes" or "no" aren't any
entity themselves. I think it would be more appropiate to change it to
operated=yes/no, maintained=yes/no, manned=yes/no or something
similar. But again, this could be easily done after the import, with a
bot or manually with JOSM.

One last doubt: For 12 water nodes inside Berbérati city, I've seen an
extra "addr:ward" tag associated to each of them. I used them to
create 12 "place=suburb" nodes near each one of them. In case you find
it wrong, I can delete them in a minute.

Congrats for the import wiki. It's very detailed, smart and easy to

Cheers, and Merry Christmas to all,


On 22/12/13 23:22, Severin MENARD wrote:
> Hi Rafael,
> My comments inline (I deleted my first message; I do not understand
> why a whole wikipage shows up).
> Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 13:15:24 +0100 From: Rafael Avila
> Coya <ravilacoya at gmail.com <mailto:ravilacoya at gmail.com>> To:
> hot at openstreetmap.org <mailto:hot at openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re:
> [HOT] CAR Activation; experienced mappers to finish the import of
> UNICEF data? Message-ID: <52B6D7DC.9070708 at gmail.com 
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> Hi, S?verin:
> I will be glad to collaborate in this import.
> Thanks!
> Its wiki is very clear, but I have a small question:
> In the UNICEF import wiki it says, in the "Roads" subsection ( 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_CAR_UNICEF_workflow#Roads
> ), that if a road doesn't exist, we can use the workflow for the
> WRI data import.
> In the "Road network" section of the WRI import wiki it says the
> job will be coordinated through the job
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/219 , but once you go there, there is a
> Actually, I had in mind to use Bing imagery to trace the roads; I
> added that to the Wiki page. WRI imagery is not accurate for roads
> and would serve only as an indication of the existence of a road to
> be traced with Bing Imagery. Anyway I think process to one import +
> one check on another source would be tricky
> What to do then?
> I can start working with the UNICEF import, but will ignore that
> road WRI import for the time being, to save time.
> WRI data import will be interesting for the landuses (this data has
> been created from remote sensing), but it is not a priority for the
> moment
> Cheers,
> Rafael ?vila.
> Message: 2 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:26:17 +0100 From: Rafael Avila
> Coya <ravilacoya at gmail.com <mailto:ravilacoya at gmail.com>> To:
> hot at openstreetmap.org <mailto:hot at openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re:
> [HOT] CAR Activation; experienced mappers to finish the import of
> UNICEF data? Message-ID: <52B72EC9.1090308 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:52B72EC9.1090308 at gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset=UTF-8
> Hi again:
> I am just importing the data for a tile as a test (the one that
> has Berb?rati town in the SE corner ( http://osm.org/go/wJ4HSfE-
> )).
> I've seen three things that I am in doubt:
> In the Education import:
> 1) All schools have a 'fixme' tag that doesn't make any sense for
> me, and that I left unchanged. They are like fixme=16.9603;7.62196
> . They look geolocation data, but they don't match with the
> latitude/longitude of the place at all. One example is this node
> (?cole Saint Beris):
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2590517305
> The key was not a good choice when set: it is not a fixme, but
> actually just a remember of te original poisiton of the UNICEF
> data. But I am surprised you say it does not matchwith the actual
> place
> 2) Some schools have the 'capacity:classrooms', 'capacity:pupils'
> and 'capacity:teachers' with value "0". Shouldn't it be set to
> "unknown" in case there is no data of number of classrooms and
> pupils/teachers capacity, as it doensn't make sense a school
> without classrooms, nor pupils nor teachers?
> Right, the original data was with 0, but unknown would be better.
> I am now with the Water wells import:
> 3) All nodes have a 'operator' tag that is set to "yes" or "no". I
> think this should be wrong. Even if we think that the mistake is
> about mixing 'operator' with 'operational_status' tags, it isn't
> again the point, as there are wells that are set with
> operational_status=closed + operator=yes, and wells that have
> operational_status=open + operator=no.
> Actually operator measns if there is someone specifically caring
> for the water well. If this is a community one, operator=no
> As for the Health import I didn't spot any problem, but I would
> suggest to add to the wiki the meaning of the abbreviations to help
> mappers to change the names accordingly:
> CS = Centre de Sant? PS = Poste de Sant? HR = H?pital Regional
> Good idea
> ...
> Cheers,
> Rafael.
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