[HOT] [Tasking Manager] enhancements - testers required

Mikel Maron mikel_maron at yahoo.com
Mon Jan 14 16:19:15 GMT 2013 

Hi

I think validators need more help in this step. Integrate general QA tools (like Keep Right), and some basic, specific analysis. Take a before/after data view of the tile; simply analyse the number of new roads/buildings/trees/etc; visualize the change. 

Mikel
 
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron


>________________________________
> From: Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com>
>To: Pierre GIRAUD <pierre.giraud at gmail.com> 
>Cc: HOT Openstreetmap <hot at openstreetmap.org> 
>Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:09 PM
>Subject: Re: [HOT] [Tasking Manager] enhancements - testers required
> 
>Hi Pierre,
>
>I think it is a requirement to validate tiles. Yes we haven't figured
>out how to get people to do it, but I think that is an instructional
>issue.  Perhaps if the validators were given access to a greater
>number of tiles to validate at a time. Maybe they could pick multiple
>tiles at once.
>
>Long-term I'd like to see the workflow so that you can define the
>steps a task goes through. Meaning I could say I want all squares to
>go through the following phases. Map the roads -> map the buildings ->
>validate. Then another task could have a complete different set of
>phases. Map the residential areas -> map the water ways -> map the
>roads.
>
>We haven't quite figured out the validation yet, but it is important.
>
>-Kate
>
>On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Pierre GIRAUD <pierre.giraud at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok, I've gone further with my experimentations.
>> I'm really not satisfied with the validation workflow and I've tried to
>> change it completely.
>>
>> I'm convinced that it's not really a requirement to be able to "validate"
>> tiles. It appears (looking at the statistics) that very few tiles have been
>> marked as valid in the past jobs. I suppose that's because validation itself
>> is not easy. It's easy to tell that a tile in invalid though. Thus, it's
>> really a requirement to be able to "invalidate" tiles.
>> In the version currently installed on dev server, the "validation" button
>> doesn't exist anymore. The tiles can now take only 2 statuses "done" or "not
>> done". Colors have been changed too. They're now more "common" to people's
>> habits and they match the buttons colors too.
>> Also, there's no need to lock a tile to tell it's invalidate. I think this
>> should be a quick process.
>>
>> I intend to add a "message box". Users could for example receive messages
>> from the application to be informed that a tile they previously worked on
>> has been invalidated.
>>
>> One other thing I changed is the "users tab". I simplified things by
>> removing the numbers telling how much the users worked. As someone already
>> told me, this is not a race. We don't need a winner.
>> What I added though is the availability to see which tiles the given users
>> worked on by highlighting them on the map. This feature has been asked
>> several times.
>>
>> Once again, feedbacks are welcome.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Augustin Doury <augustin.doury at hotosm.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry for this second email, I just want to add something about this point
>>> of my last email :
>>>
>>> 1) Limit how many times you could split the tasks, for a zoom level of 17,
>>> maybe not more than once.
>>> > sometimes tasks are splitted twice or more, it really slows the mapping.
>>>
>>> On the "users" page,the number of tiles done by a contributor could depend
>>> on the size of the tiles he has done :
>>> - if he did not split tiles, show "1" for one tile
>>> - if he did, show "0,25" for one tile which is from a tile splitted once.
>>>
>>> Augustin
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Augustin Doury
>>> <augustin.doury at hotosm.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi! Couple things I realized this morning using the Tasking Manager :
>>>>
>>>> 1) Limit how many times you could split the tasks, for a zoom level of
>>>> 17, maybe not more than once.
>>>> > sometimes tasks are splitted twice or more, it really slows the
>>>> > mapping.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Make it easy to find which task you're working on,
>>>> In the current version all "current worked on" tasks are highlighted in
>>>> orange, maybe the task linked to your OSM account could be highlighted in an
>>>> other colour.
>>>>
>>>> 3) It's too easy to delete a task, it could be great to add one step more
>>>> for security checking
>>>>
>>>> Great to imagine how the new version will be!
>>>>
>>>> Augustin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Augustin Doury
>>>> <augustin.doury at hotosm.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that Pierre! Here are some comments :
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Pierre GIRAUD <pierre.giraud at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - with this in mind, tiles url (in the address bar) can be used to be
>>>>>> shared to someone else. This might be useful to use a tile as reference in a
>>>>>> discussion between mappers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > this is a real enhancement, especially with new mappers who want to
>>>>> > have their work checked or to share it easily. I would use it like every
>>>>> > week.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - comments are now required when marking a task as done or
>>>>>> (in)validating one,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > great, it could be good to have an informative message to explain what
>>>>> > kind of comment is expected,
>>>>> > maybe the person who create the job could choose this informative
>>>>> > message.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - users have access to the tile change history.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > this is a real enhancement too I think
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please write down any problems you see and your good or bad feelings.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Something that could be great on the Tasking Manager's "users" page :
>>>>>
>>>>> By clicking on the OSMid of a contributor or a validator, be able to :
>>>>>
>>>>> - know which tile he has edited
>>>>> - know which tile he has marked as "done"
>>>>> - which tile he has validated
>>>>> - and be able to select it easily and open it in "read-only" mode.
>>>>> Great for quality assurance with new mappers, and great to find which
>>>>> tile you have worked on yesterday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Off topic question:
>>>>>> I'm not sure how important the locking is when an advanced user wants
>>>>>> to (in)validate the work done on a job.
>>>>>> How about allowing validation without any lock. Or maybe we should
>>>>>> rethink the validation process.
>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > when a new register click on a task marked as done, he uses to
>>>>> > validate or invalidate it quickly and don't think to just click on
>>>>> > "unlock-it"...
>>>>> I think a new validation process could be great, let it open for
>>>>> everybody but be sure that all validators did it in an informed way and
>>>>> don't validate or invalidate a task by mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://tasks-dev.hotosm.org
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>   | Pierre GIRAUD
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>>   | Pierre GIRAUD
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