[HOT] [Tasking Manager] enhancements - testers required

Pierre Béland infosbelas-gps at yahoo.fr
Mon Jan 14 19:27:46 GMT 2013 

Robert,

It is already possible to export the tile grid by adding /export to the url  :  /job/#no/export

 
Pierre 



>________________________________
> De : "Banick, Robert" <Robert.Banick at redcross.org>
>À : Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com>; Pierre GIRAUD <pierre.giraud at gmail.com> 
>Cc : HOT Openstreetmap <hot at openstreetmap.org> 
>Envoyé le : Lundi 14 janvier 2013 14h17
>Objet : Re: [HOT] [Tasking Manager] enhancements - testers required
> 
>Kate, I like your thoughts on a sequential mapping and validation process. I always do this informally (roads, then buildings) and find it to be a lot more productive.
>
>One unrelated, entirely selfish wishlist item I'd like to throw out is the ability to download the tile grid itself. I've been working with some universities to do specific mapping tasks and for organizational purposes it would be great to download the tile grid so we could print it and manually parcel out tiles. It's kind of a specialized use case but I think that functionality could be useful to any on-the-ground group trying to use the tasking manager as an organizational tool.
>
>Robert Banick | American Red Cross
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kate Chapman [mailto:kate at maploser.com] 
>Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:10 PM
>To: Pierre GIRAUD
>Cc: HOT Openstreetmap
>Subject: Re: [HOT] [Tasking Manager] enhancements - testers required
>
>Hi Pierre,
>
>I think it is a requirement to validate tiles. Yes we haven't figured out how to get people to do it, but I think that is an instructional issue.  Perhaps if the validators were given access to a greater number of tiles to validate at a time. Maybe they could pick multiple tiles at once.
>
>Long-term I'd like to see the workflow so that you can define the steps a task goes through. Meaning I could say I want all squares to go through the following phases. Map the roads -> map the buildings -> validate. Then another task could have a complete different set of phases. Map the residential areas -> map the water ways -> map the roads.
>
>We haven't quite figured out the validation yet, but it is important.
>
>-Kate
>
>On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Pierre GIRAUD <pierre.giraud at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ok, I've gone further with my experimentations.
>> I'm really not satisfied with the validation workflow and I've tried 
>> to change it completely.
>>
>> I'm convinced that it's not really a requirement to be able to "validate"
>> tiles. It appears (looking at the statistics) that very few tiles have 
>> been marked as valid in the past jobs. I suppose that's because 
>> validation itself is not easy. It's easy to tell that a tile in 
>> invalid though. Thus, it's really a requirement to be able to "invalidate" tiles.
>> In the version currently installed on dev server, the "validation" 
>> button doesn't exist anymore. The tiles can now take only 2 statuses 
>> "done" or "not done". Colors have been changed too. They're now more 
>> "common" to people's habits and they match the buttons colors too.
>> Also, there's no need to lock a tile to tell it's invalidate. I think 
>> this should be a quick process.
>>
>> I intend to add a "message box". Users could for example receive 
>> messages from the application to be informed that a tile they 
>> previously worked on has been invalidated.
>>
>> One other thing I changed is the "users tab". I simplified things by 
>> removing the numbers telling how much the users worked. As someone 
>> already told me, this is not a race. We don't need a winner.
>> What I added though is the availability to see which tiles the given 
>> users worked on by highlighting them on the map. This feature has been 
>> asked several times.
>>
>> Once again, feedbacks are welcome.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Augustin Doury 
>> <augustin.doury at hotosm.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry for this second email, I just want to add something about this 
>>> point of my last email :
>>>
>>> 1) Limit how many times you could split the tasks, for a zoom level 
>>> of 17, maybe not more than once.
>>> > sometimes tasks are splitted twice or more, it really slows the mapping.
>>>
>>> On the "users" page,the number of tiles done by a contributor could 
>>> depend on the size of the tiles he has done :
>>> - if he did not split tiles, show "1" for one tile
>>> - if he did, show "0,25" for one tile which is from a tile splitted once.
>>>
>>> Augustin
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Augustin Doury 
>>> <augustin.doury at hotosm.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi! Couple things I realized this morning using the Tasking Manager :
>>>>
>>>> 1) Limit how many times you could split the tasks, for a zoom level 
>>>> of 17, maybe not more than once.
>>>> > sometimes tasks are splitted twice or more, it really slows the 
>>>> > mapping.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Make it easy to find which task you're working on, In the current 
>>>> version all "current worked on" tasks are highlighted in orange, 
>>>> maybe the task linked to your OSM account could be highlighted in an 
>>>> other colour.
>>>>
>>>> 3) It's too easy to delete a task, it could be great to add one step 
>>>> more for security checking
>>>>
>>>> Great to imagine how the new version will be!
>>>>
>>>> Augustin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Augustin Doury 
>>>> <augustin.doury at hotosm.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that Pierre! Here are some comments :
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Pierre GIRAUD 
>>>>> <pierre.giraud at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - with this in mind, tiles url (in the address bar) can be used 
>>>>>> to be shared to someone else. This might be useful to use a tile 
>>>>>> as reference in a discussion between mappers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > this is a real enhancement, especially with new mappers who want 
>>>>> > to have their work checked or to share it easily. I would use it 
>>>>> > like every week.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - comments are now required when marking a task as done or 
>>>>>> (in)validating one,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > great, it could be good to have an informative message to explain 
>>>>> > what kind of comment is expected, maybe the person who create the 
>>>>> > job could choose this informative message.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - users have access to the tile change history.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > this is a real enhancement too I think
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please write down any problems you see and your good or bad feelings.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Something that could be great on the Tasking Manager's "users" page :
>>>>>
>>>>> By clicking on the OSMid of a contributor or a validator, be able to :
>>>>>
>>>>> - know which tile he has edited
>>>>> - know which tile he has marked as "done"
>>>>> - which tile he has validated
>>>>> - and be able to select it easily and open it in "read-only" mode.
>>>>> Great for quality assurance with new mappers, and great to find 
>>>>> which tile you have worked on yesterday.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Off topic question:
>>>>>> I'm not sure how important the locking is when an advanced user 
>>>>>> wants to (in)validate the work done on a job.
>>>>>> How about allowing validation without any lock. Or maybe we should 
>>>>>> rethink the validation process.
>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > when a new register click on a task marked as done, he uses to 
>>>>> > validate or invalidate it quickly and don't think to just click 
>>>>> > on "unlock-it"...
>>>>> I think a new validation process could be great, let it open for 
>>>>> everybody but be sure that all validators did it in an informed way 
>>>>> and don't validate or invalidate a task by mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://tasks-dev.hotosm.org
>>>>>>
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