[HOT] [Tasking Manager] enhancements - testers required

Tue Jan 15 21:17:21 GMT 2013

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com> wrote:

> Hi Pierre,
>
> I think it is a requirement to validate tiles. Yes we haven't figured
> out how to get people to do it, but I think that is an instructional
> issue.  Perhaps if the validators were given access to a greater
> number of tiles to validate at a time. Maybe they could pick multiple
> tiles at once.
>

To me, currently, there's no real distinction between mappers and
validators. Tiles may be validated by accident. And nobody is able to put
them back to the flow.
I prefer to simplify things till we have a validation process correctly
figured.

>
> Long-term I'd like to see the workflow so that you can define the
> steps a task goes through. Meaning I could say I want all squares to
> go through the following phases. Map the roads -> map the buildings ->
> validate. Then another task could have a complete different set of
> phases. Map the residential areas -> map the water ways -> map the
> roads.
>

You think about a task-list for each tile, right?
But you also think about phases. Does it mean that you imagine things to be
done in given order?

>
> We haven't quite figured out the validation yet, but it is important.
>

I agree that it's important since we the data to be as qualitative as
possible.

>
> -Kate
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Pierre GIRAUD <pierre.giraud at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Ok, I've gone further with my experimentations.
> > I'm really not satisfied with the validation workflow and I've tried to
> > change it completely.
> >
> > I'm convinced that it's not really a requirement to be able to "validate"
> > tiles. It appears (looking at the statistics) that very few tiles have
> been
> > marked as valid in the past jobs. I suppose that's because validation
> itself
> > is not easy. It's easy to tell that a tile in invalid though. Thus, it's
> > really a requirement to be able to "invalidate" tiles.
> > In the version currently installed on dev server, the "validation" button
> > doesn't exist anymore. The tiles can now take only 2 statuses "done" or
> "not
> > done". Colors have been changed too. They're now more "common" to
> people's
> > habits and they match the buttons colors too.
> > Also, there's no need to lock a tile to tell it's invalidate. I think
> this
> > should be a quick process.
> >
> > I intend to add a "message box". Users could for example receive messages
> > from the application to be informed that a tile they previously worked on
> > has been invalidated.
> >
> > One other thing I changed is the "users tab". I simplified things by
> > removing the numbers telling how much the users worked. As someone
> already
> > told me, this is not a race. We don't need a winner.
> > What I added though is the availability to see which tiles the given
> users
> > worked on by highlighting them on the map. This feature has been asked
> > several times.
> >
> > Once again, feedbacks are welcome.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Augustin Doury <
> augustin.doury at hotosm.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Sorry for this second email, I just want to add something about this
> point
> >> of my last email :
> >>
> >> 1) Limit how many times you could split the tasks, for a zoom level of
> 17,
> >> maybe not more than once.
> >> > sometimes tasks are splitted twice or more, it really slows the
> mapping.
> >>
> >> On the "users" page,the number of tiles done by a contributor could
> depend
> >> on the size of the tiles he has done :
> >> - if he did not split tiles, show "1" for one tile
> >> - if he did, show "0,25" for one tile which is from a tile splitted
> once.
> >>
> >> Augustin
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Augustin Doury
> >> <augustin.doury at hotosm.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi! Couple things I realized this morning using the Tasking Manager :
> >>>
> >>> 1) Limit how many times you could split the tasks, for a zoom level of
> >>> 17, maybe not more than once.
> >>> > sometimes tasks are splitted twice or more, it really slows the
> >>> > mapping.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Make it easy to find which task you're working on,
> >>> In the current version all "current worked on" tasks are highlighted in
> >>> orange, maybe the task linked to your OSM account could be highlighted
> in an
> >>> other colour.
> >>>
> >>> 3) It's too easy to delete a task, it could be great to add one step
> more
> >>> for security checking
> >>>
> >>> Great to imagine how the new version will be!
> >>>
> >>> Augustin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Augustin Doury
> >>> <augustin.doury at hotosm.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for that Pierre! Here are some comments :
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Pierre GIRAUD <
> pierre.giraud at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  - with this in mind, tiles url (in the address bar) can be used to
> be
> >>>>> shared to someone else. This might be useful to use a tile as
> reference in a
> >>>>> discussion between mappers,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > this is a real enhancement, especially with new mappers who want to
> >>>> > have their work checked or to share it easily. I would use it like
> every
> >>>> > week.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  - comments are now required when marking a task as done or
> >>>>> (in)validating one,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > great, it could be good to have an informative message to explain
> what
> >>>> > kind of comment is expected,
> >>>> > maybe the person who create the job could choose this informative
> >>>> > message.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  - users have access to the tile change history.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > this is a real enhancement too I think
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please write down any problems you see and your good or bad feelings.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Something that could be great on the Tasking Manager's "users" page :
> >>>>
> >>>> By clicking on the OSMid of a contributor or a validator, be able to :
> >>>>
> >>>> - know which tile he has edited
> >>>> - know which tile he has marked as "done"
> >>>> - which tile he has validated
> >>>> - and be able to select it easily and open it in "read-only" mode.
> >>>> Great for quality assurance with new mappers, and great to find which
> >>>> tile you have worked on yesterday.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Off topic question:
> >>>>> I'm not sure how important the locking is when an advanced user wants
> >>>>> to (in)validate the work done on a job.
> >>>>> How about allowing validation without any lock. Or maybe we should
> >>>>> rethink the validation process.
> >>>>> Any thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > when a new register click on a task marked as done, he uses to
> >>>> > validate or invalidate it quickly and don't think to just click on
> >>>> > "unlock-it"...
> >>>> I think a new validation process could be great, let it open for
> >>>> everybody but be sure that all validators did it in an informed way
> and
> >>>> don't validate or invalidate a task by mistake.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pierre
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] http://tasks-dev.hotosm.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>   | Pierre GIRAUD
> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Augustin Doury
> >>>> Openstreetmap Senegal Community Mobilizer
> >>>> Humanitarian Openstreetmap Team (HOT)
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> >>> --
> >>> Augustin Doury
> >>> Openstreetmap Senegal Community Mobilizer
> >>> Humanitarian Openstreetmap Team (HOT)
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Augustin Doury
> >> Openstreetmap Senegal Community Mobilizer
> >> Humanitarian Openstreetmap Team (HOT)
> >> +221773160902
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> >   | Pierre GIRAUD
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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