[HOT] NGA Damage assessment report

Tue Nov 19 11:34:08 UTC 2013

I agrre with raphael:

typhoon:damage=limited
typhoon:damage=moderate
typhoon:damage=extensive

cheers

Le mardi 19 novembre 2013 5h04, Stéphane Henriod <s at henriod.info> a écrit :

+1 for typhoon_Haiyan:damage

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On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Rafael Avila Coya <ravilacoya at gmail.com> wrote:

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>Hi,
>
>typhoon_2013:damage=xxx could improve the situation, but you would
>still have tag garbage if you don't update/delete those tags after the
>buildings are repaired.
>
>In any case, typhoon_2013:damage could be deleted after a certain time
>with a bot.
>
>I would suggest typhoon_Haiyan:damage instead, as there can be more
>than one typhoon in 2013, though.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Rafael.
>
>On 19/11/13 10:06, Stéphane Henriod wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> the only concern I have with
>>
>> typhoon:damage=limited typhoon:damage=moderate
>> typhoon:damage=extensive
>>
>> is the tracking over time: how will we deal with this tag when the
>> next typhoon hits? We cannot assume that every single building will
>> be updated once rebuilt (typhoon:damage=none, e.g.). So we might
>> end up with an inconsistent database over time...
>>
>> what about something in the line of typhoon_2013:damage=xxx ?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Stéphane
>>
>> -- "Le mot progrès n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants
>> malheureux" -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be
>> reason enough in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a
>> journey, yet soon it is the journey that makes or unmakes you." --
>> Nicolas Bouvier
>>
>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: http://www.henriod.info
>> <http://www.henriod.info/>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Rafael Avila Coya
>> <ravilacoya at gmail.com <mailto:ravilacoya at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was merging some of the impassable roads into OSM yesterday.
>>
>> The first atribute is not useless; it's just an abbreviation of
>> the second.
>>
>> I was tagging "source=US NGA", but your suggestion it's ok too. I
>> could just change it, no problem.
>>
>> For the damage intensity, why not to use the typhoon:damage one,
>> that we already have? Like this:
>>
>> typhoon:damage=limited typhoon:damage=moderate
>> typhoon:damage=extensive
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rafael.
>>
>> On 19/11/13 04:13, Bruno Remy wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>
>>> NGA Files contains some attributs that we do not use in OSM
>>> Database. Exemple: "Damage_"="LD" "Damage_Ext"="LIMITED" or
>>> "MODERATE" "Production"="11/17/2013"
>>
>>> The first one is useless, so we can ignore it for importation.
>>> The third one can be changed to " source"="NGA Damage assessment
>>> report-11/17/2013"
>>
>>> But the 'Damage_Ext' provides some accurate information about
>>> the intensity of damage (limited/moderate/extensive) and should
>>> be strategic to give some priority for humanitarian help
>>> (healthcare) or reconstruction help (ingenneers, construction,
>>> etc...)
>>
>>> So : should we keep or not these tags, and if so, witch tags
>>> should be appropriate?
>>
>>> Suggestion : "NGA:damage_intensity"="limited"
>>
>>> Regards,
>>
>>> Bruno
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Le lundi 18 novembre 2013 12h08, Vivien Deparday
>>> <vivien.deparday at gmail.com <mailto:vivien.deparday at gmail.com>> a
>> écrit : Hi all, a bit of feedback on
>>> this instruction for road damage assessment that are on the
>>> tasks, I think they could be clarified a bit:
>>
>>> - while reviewing a post disaster task (350), I have found a
>>> road duplicate that had been created just to mark the damage on
>>> it instead of marking the existing pre-disaster road. This is
>>> currently not very clear in the workflow description, it says
>>> 'Please make a segment covering the damages and mark it' . The
>>> 'make' could mean create a new road or it could mean split the
>>> existing one to mark only the affected part of the roads. I
>>> suppose it is the latter but it could be made a bit clearer like
>>> it is written in capital for the buildings.
>>
>>> - Also, it is not very clear how the road obstacle and the
>>> impassable section should be marked and related to each other.
>>> Do you mark the whole road as impassable from one road block to
>>> the other but then you do really need to mark the road blocks
>>> themselves? I suppose it would still be useful to mark them if
>>> they are road blocks that are in the middle of an impassable
>>> section because then one can know how many debris have to be
>>> removed. If there is a section of road between two road blocks
>>> that had no debris, should it be marked passable or impassable
>>> (since you cannot get to it), etc...? It seems like all the road
>>> blocks should be added to the existing roads as new nodes
>>> belonging to the road and marked as barrier, and also each
>>> segment between the road blocks should be marked as impassable?
>>> It seems like that shouldn't mess the database? Anyone with more
>>> experience on that?
>>
>>> Once there is agreement, it should be described clearly on the
>>> workflow tab, maybe with a link to a wikipage with more details.
>>
>>> I just had a look at the shapefile from NGA and they are only
>>> road segment marked as impassable.
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>
>>> Vivien GFDRR Labs
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Pierre Béland
>>> <pierzenh at yahoo.fr
>> <mailto:pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
>>> <mailto:pierzenh at yahoo.fr <mailto:pierzenh at yahoo.fr>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>
>>> The tags to be used for tagging roads are described in the
>>> Workflow panel of Task Manager job
>>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/350
>>
>>> If any questions, dont hesitate to contact us or come discuss on
>>> the #HOT Irc.
>>
>>> Thanks to all,
>>
>>> Pierre
>>
>>
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