[HOT] Fwd: Re: Validating & TM2 - a send message button?

Sat Aug 30 13:32:45 UTC 2014

Charlotte,

Crowdmapping, especially for major activations like the current Ebola Outbreak, this mean a lot of new contributors, with mapping problems and need to support them. And we see a lot of turnover. When we say that 1,000 contributors have mapped. In fact, for many of them, this is less then 100 objects. How to retain these people, make them like to contribute and learn rapidly.  To do so, I prefer a social approach where it is easy for these persons to communicate and ask questions. The same with the coordinators, have the capacity to join rapidly the contributors to the various tasks.

Pierre 

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 De : Charlotte Wolter <techlady at techlady.com>
À : hot at openstreetmap.org 
Envoyé le : Vendredi 29 août 2014 21h06
Objet : [HOT] Fwd: Re:  Validating & TM2 - a send message button?

Pierre,

         I also
think the feedback on validation would be very worthwhile to me. If you
are worried that people will get irritated with the feedback, then give
them the option of turning the feedback of and on.
         We need
more than another email list for discussion. We need real
feedback.

Charlotte Wolter

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>Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 18:41:00 +0100
>From: Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
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>Sending a message for every task validated risk to irritate people. 
Instead, let's bring a social plus learning function in this
CrowdSourcing Task Manager.
>
>The best is to create a place of discussion (IRC like) directly related
to the task Manager. The Validation comments could also be listed in this
IRC. On the of the page, their could be a count of how many contributors
currently selected a task.
>
>The mappers, validators and coordinators would then have a place of
discussion. This would play some social gathering function easily
accessible plus help support for beginners.
>
> 
>Pierre 
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>De : Blake Girardot
<bgirardot at gmail.com>
>À : "HOT at openstreetmap.org"
<hot at openstreetmap.org> 
>Envoyé le : Vendredi 29 août 2014 13h03
>Objet : Re: [HOT] Validating & TM2 - a send message
button?
>
>I wholeheartedly agree that an automated message that sends the comments 
>when a task is validated or invalidated would be great.
>
>I really like feedback on the mapping I do.
>
>Sort of related, I'd like to be able to subscribe to comments on a task 
>so I get an email every time someone comments on a task I have 
>subscribed to (probably because I have worked on it).
>
>I am a new mapper so I have not seen a lot of tasks and do not know how 
>often comments on tasks are used, but the tasks I work on, I try to 
>comment as often and helpfully as I can.
>
>Thank you for bringing up this idea.
>
>Regards,
>Blake Girardot
>
>On 8/29/2014 12:47 PM, Nick Allen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was recently involved in teaching a large group of new mappers,
and
>> close to the end of the session I repeated to them how to find
the
>> squares they have mapped, click on them, and see the comments that
the
>> validator had left. At the end of the session I was approached
by
>> representatives of both the British Red Cross & Medecins Sans
Frontier
>> who each commented that it seemed like a long process, and couldn't
it
>> be automated so that a message is automatically sent to the
mapper
>> concerned. At the time, I replied that the many hundreds of very
good
>> mappers would not want a pestering email every time one of
their
>> hundreds of squares was validated.
>>
>> However, on further reflection I am having second thoughts, but
don't
>> know if;
>>
>> a/. there is something already in the pipeline, &
>> b/. what other HOTties have in the way of ideas about this.
>>
>> I should explain that I see validation as both a quality
control
>> feature, and a training aid. Rather than invalidate, I will
frequently
>> validate a square if it only involves work I can complete in a
few
>> minutes, and I will leave a message in the square something like
'Click
>> on this link to see screenshots showing the before & after:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8mtspy7pfu4o0ve/AADSV7Z-ZGG0kCWatPqUdnLYa?dl=0 
>> I've joined the paths together & added the round huts that were
present
>> - screenshot shows one of them & they are tagged
building=hut.
>> etc......'  In this case it would obviously be good if there
was an
>> option within the Tasking manager that allowed me to send this as
a
>> message to the mapper concerned rather than leave it to chance as
to
>> whether it is ever seen. If this feature was implemented I would
suggest
>> that it was a tick box that the validator would have to select with
the
>> text similar to 'Tick this box if you require your comments to be
sent
>> as part of a message to the mapper concerned'.
>>
>> The ticking of the box & then confirming with the validate
button would
>> cause a message (email or OSM messaging system) with a preformed
text
>> such as
>> _________________________________________________________
>>
>> Title=HOT Validators feedback, square @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
>>
>> Hi & thanks for mapping for the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap
Team,
>>
>> A validator has recently validated square @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ which
you
>> marked as complete on @@date@@ & has asked that the following
comments
>> are passed on to you;
>>
>> /Click on this link to see screenshots showing the before &
after:
>>
//https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8mtspy7pfu4o0ve/AADSV7Z-ZGG0kCWatPqUdnLYa?dl=0// 
>> I've joined the paths together & added the round huts that were
present
>> - screenshot shows one of them & they are tagged building=hut.
etc....../
>>
>> Please take these comments in the positive way they were intended.
The
>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team would like to see you map many
more
>> squares & the comments are only intended to keep the mapping
standards high.
>>
>> Keep up the good work, and thanks again for mapping for HOT.
>>
>> This is an automated message.
>> _________________________________________________________
>>
>> There was a genuine interest from members of BRC & MSF when
asking me
>> about this, and there was an offer to help with the coding as
well.
>> Personally something like this would save me a lot of time -
I'm
>> currently trying to validate the work of about 60 new mappers
and
>> anything which speeds up the process would really help.
>>
>> I'd welcome some discussion on this.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Nick
>>
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