[HOT] Launching the hot mailing list in French

Mark Cupitt markcupitt at gmail.com
Fri Jul 11 15:27:50 UTC 2014

Hey All, I live in an environment where there are German, Swiss, French,
Aussie, Us, Britts, Belgian, US speakers  (to name a few).

One of the simple things I have learnt is that to communicate, someone has
to translate. And that is no simple task ..   I speak Aussie .and I am
lucky that folks take the time to explain what is being said.

So, I am all for multi-lingual lists, however, how do the points that are
made on each list get communicated to the other lists?

Its all well and dandy to have them, but at the end of the day, we need to
share the information...

How do we do that across different lists in different languages ..



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On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:13 PM, Severin Menard <severin.menard at gmail.com>

> Hi all,
> This is not the first time I ask the creation of an OSM list (I think I
> initiated 4 or 5), but certainly the first time it generates such debates.
> Actually I found this thread very interesting in the way it shows there are
> clearly different visions about what HOT is (or maybe are) and actually a
> good opportunity to discuss about them. I see many emails arriving on the
> thread while I am writing, considering I am certainly slower than Native
> speakers to write in English. One of the advantages when you write in your
> Native language! :)
> First I think it is worth to remember that hot at openstreetmap.org is* de
> facto* the OSM mailing list about humanitarian and development topics
> related to OSM. There is no other one. And almost everything that is
> discussed is about the voluntary work done by the HOT community, as we can
> see eg during the last month:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2014-June/subject.html.
> Only the email about the Board minutes and the one inviting to join urban
> CoP & webinar on mapping are related to HOT as an incorporated
> organization. And the latter one starts with [info-hotosm] to illustrate it
> comes from hotosm.org that is the domain name for HOT the incorporated
> NGO, Actually, the discussion regarding the organisation are done through
> the membership at hotosm.org (HOT members are listed in the OSM wiki
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Members>) or
> board at hotosm.org, not hot at openstreetmap.org.
> Moreover, I do not see any other existing OSM list that would be run by an
> organization. Being a non-profit does not change anything IMHO, basically
> what comes under openstreetmap.org is communautary and does not have to
> be approved or discussed by any upper list or organization board. I guess
> it would be weird, to say the least, if a geobox at openstreetmap.org would
> gain the right to decide or should at least been consulted to state what
> dev list could be created.
> So, if ever HOT the organization could decide what openstreetmap.org list
> can (or not) be created with the hot- prefix, this would lead to create a
> new prefix regarding humanitarian and development, cause basically, why a
> specific organization would have the right to state who can create a list
> on a specific topic related to OSM? I personally would not encourage that
> (unless legal and liability concerns would demand it): I think we can
> easily distinguish between HOT as a worldwide OSM community involved in
> humanitarian and development topics and HOT an incorporated organization
> that is able, through its status, to get funds to make tools improving the
> community response or deploying in the field and interacting with the
> worldwide community.
> Maybe there should be a kind of HOT Foundation dealing with humanitarian
> and development topics. I formulated this a few weeks ago here
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sev_hotosm/diary/21846> as a HOT
> Project combining a HOT Charter and HOT commons (please read it, it is
> fully readable in good English, thanks to Charlotte Wolter!), though
> actually more in the sense of empowering the OSM capacities and spreading
> out good practices rather than organizing the community itself.
> But if it occurs, I would not like to see this Foundation to control
> everything, but to have a similar role than OSMF, as Mike Collinson said,
> "support-but-not-control mission", fitting with the "OSM Just Do It ethos".
> Hope these points can make their contributions to this very interesting
> debate.
> Sincerely,
> Severin
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Fran Boon <francisboon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 11 July 2014 12:01, Michael Collinson <mike at ayeltd.biz> wrote:
>> > support-but-not-control mission of the OSMF
>> This is exactly what comes to my mind observing this discussion...I
>> would much prefer to see the HOT board being supportive rather than
>> trying to be controlling.
>> > 1) We (OpenStreetMap) do draw a firm distinction between OSM and OSMF,
>> i.e.
>> > a broad community with fuzzy membership and a, well, bureaucratic
>> > organisation with with specific finite membership. In line with that,
>> our
>> > osmf-* lists are only generated after broader discussion and may involve
>> > board sanction.  Should HOT reflect that distinction in some way?
>> I think this is the real nub of many of our community's current problems!
>> Is HOT primarily:
>> (A) HOT Inc (like OSMF)
>> (B) Community (like OSM)
>> Many here see HOT as primarily B with HOT Inc being present to provide
>> Support.
>> It would be nice if HOT Inc were the 'HOT Foundation' which would
>> phrase it nicely & allow the distinction to be drawn more
>> easily....and drawing a parallel with the parent OSM...
>> Best Wishes to all,
>> Fran.
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