[HOT] Launching the hot mailing list in French

Severin Menard severin.menard at gmail.com
Fri Jul 11 14:13:34 UTC 2014


Hi all,

This is not the first time I ask the creation of an OSM list (I think I
initiated 4 or 5), but certainly the first time it generates such debates.
Actually I found this thread very interesting in the way it shows there are
clearly different visions about what HOT is (or maybe are) and actually a
good opportunity to discuss about them. I see many emails arriving on the
thread while I am writing, considering I am certainly slower than Native
speakers to write in English. One of the advantages when you write in your
Native language! :)

First I think it is worth to remember that hot at openstreetmap.org is* de
facto* the OSM mailing list about humanitarian and development topics
related to OSM. There is no other one. And almost everything that is
discussed is about the voluntary work done by the HOT community, as we can
see eg during the last month:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/2014-June/subject.html. Only
the email about the Board minutes and the one inviting to join urban CoP &
webinar on mapping are related to HOT as an incorporated organization. And
the latter one starts with [info-hotosm] to illustrate it comes from
hotosm.org that is the domain name for HOT the incorporated NGO, Actually,
the discussion regarding the organisation are done through the
membership at hotosm.org (HOT members are listed in the OSM wiki
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Members>) or
board at hotosm.org, not hot at openstreetmap.org.

Moreover, I do not see any other existing OSM list that would be run by an
organization. Being a non-profit does not change anything IMHO, basically
what comes under openstreetmap.org is communautary and does not have to be
approved or discussed by any upper list or organization board. I guess it
would be weird, to say the least, if a geobox at openstreetmap.org would gain
the right to decide or should at least been consulted to state what dev
list could be created.

So, if ever HOT the organization could decide what openstreetmap.org list
can (or not) be created with the hot- prefix, this would lead to create a
new prefix regarding humanitarian and development, cause basically, why a
specific organization would have the right to state who can create a list
on a specific topic related to OSM? I personally would not encourage that
(unless legal and liability concerns would demand it): I think we can
easily distinguish between HOT as a worldwide OSM community involved in
humanitarian and development topics and HOT an incorporated organization
that is able, through its status, to get funds to make tools improving the
community response or deploying in the field and interacting with the
worldwide community.

Maybe there should be a kind of HOT Foundation dealing with humanitarian
and development topics. I formulated this a few weeks ago here
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/sev_hotosm/diary/21846> as a HOT Project
combining a HOT Charter and HOT commons (please read it, it is fully
readable in good English, thanks to Charlotte Wolter!), though actually
more in the sense of empowering the OSM capacities and spreading out good
practices rather than organizing the community itself.

But if it occurs, I would not like to see this Foundation to control
everything, but to have a similar role than OSMF, as Mike Collinson said,
"support-but-not-control mission", fitting with the "OSM Just Do It ethos".

Hope these points can make their contributions to this very interesting
debate.

Sincerely,

Severin



On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Fran Boon <francisboon at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11 July 2014 12:01, Michael Collinson <mike at ayeltd.biz> wrote:
> > support-but-not-control mission of the OSMF
>
> This is exactly what comes to my mind observing this discussion...I
> would much prefer to see the HOT board being supportive rather than
> trying to be controlling.
>
> > 1) We (OpenStreetMap) do draw a firm distinction between OSM and OSMF,
> i.e.
> > a broad community with fuzzy membership and a, well, bureaucratic
> > organisation with with specific finite membership. In line with that, our
> > osmf-* lists are only generated after broader discussion and may involve
> > board sanction.  Should HOT reflect that distinction in some way?
>
> I think this is the real nub of many of our community's current problems!
>
> Is HOT primarily:
> (A) HOT Inc (like OSMF)
> (B) Community (like OSM)
>
> Many here see HOT as primarily B with HOT Inc being present to provide
> Support.
>
> It would be nice if HOT Inc were the 'HOT Foundation' which would
> phrase it nicely & allow the distinction to be drawn more
> easily....and drawing a parallel with the parent OSM...
>
> Best Wishes to all,
> Fran.
>
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