[HOT] Boosting LearnOSM

Rafael Avila Coya ravilacoya at gmail.com
Thu Jul 31 00:04:23 UTC 2014


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Hi, Séverin, Kate and all:

Maybe it would be feasible to change the license of LearnOSM to the
OSM Wiki license. As not many people are involved (I think) in the
English original version, not many people would have to be asked for.

That way, we could share without problems both ways. Just proposing...

Cheers,

Rafael.

On 30/07/14 23:09, Severin Menard wrote:
> Hi Kate,
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Kate Chapman <kate at maploser.com 
> <mailto:kate at maploser.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Severin,
> 
> Are you happy to switch to Transifex if it means retranslating 
> everything? The strings between languages need to be matched up
> and there isn't a way we can do that automatically. This is the
> major reason we haven't tried to do it previously.
> 
> Actually LearnOSM is so far made so that all the versions aims at 
> sharing the same text (other documentatin orjects like FlossManuals
> have a different concept, where every translation is a reboot that
> deeply sticks with the local context), so it seems (but maybe if
> digging more it may not be) that Transifex would fit quite well. My
> concern is: does Transifex allows to make suggestion of changes in
> the master? Eg when I translated the chapter for conflict
> resolution in French, I really improved it. I think a translation
> includes a dimension of quality control or progress: when you read,
> you detect both mistakes and ways of improvement.
> 
> 
> As for the license between the OSM wiki and LearnOSM that is true 
> they are not the same. Information can go from LearnOSM to the
> wiki but not the other way because of the share-a-like.
> 
> Hmm so the uMap document I am doing from the current short wikipage
> will not be a potential new chapter of LearnOSM, as the recent
> quality control pages. Pity we would need to redo all this from
> scratch.
> 
> 
> -Kate
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Severin Menard 
> <severin.menard at gmail.com <mailto:severin.menard at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am happy we switch to Transifex, the GitHub editor was a real 
> pain and a real blocker for non GitHub experienced people (like
> me).
> 
> Regarding Nick's idea of linking LearnOSM and the OSM wiki for eg
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager, is it
> possible? It would be great, but I thought LearnOSM has 
> unfortunately another license than the OSM wiki.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Severin
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Nick Allen 
> <nick.allen.54 at gmail.com <mailto:nick.allen.54 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree that more is needed. Based upon the problems I was finding
> when validating, I've started to produce a guide 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Tallguy/Thoughts_%26_ideas/Beginners_guide
>  but it is at an early stage, and requires updating now that TM2 is
> out. I feel that there is a gap between 'how to map', and what you
> actually need to do to start to map for HOT. If we can produce a
> guide that covers how to map your first square showing how to avoid
> the common mistakes, maybe we can stop most of them.
> 
> http://mapgive.state.gov/  <http://mapgive.state.gov/> have a very
> good guide to mapping with iD
> 
> As a temporary thing, I've linked both off of 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager  but the
> main wiki on the Tasking manager needs updating now we have TM2.
> 
> My initial thought, is that TM2's release gives the perfect time to
> update the wiki. The wiki is really under the wrong heading - it's
> main name is 'OSM_Tasking_Manager, but it deals with a number of
> things including JOSM offsets & validating.
> 
> It would be good if there was some discussion & a consensus as to
> what goes where, and how we are going to get it there.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Nick (Tallguy)
> 
> 
> 
> On 19/07/14 02:05, Kate Chapman wrote:
>> Hi Rafael,
>> 
>> Sounds like a great idea. The InaSAFE project uses Transifex not
>> just for translating the software but also for translating the
>> documentation. The one issue in mind holding back the switch over
>> is that LearnOSM is in many languages now, so I would see the
>> steps as follows.
>> 
>> 1. Update the English documentation and get it into Transifex. 2.
>> Retranslate documentation from other languages.
>> 
>> This would be painful certainly the first time, but then in the
>> future if the documentation was updated on the sections that were
>> changed would show up as in need of translation. Is that the
>> method you see?
>> 
>> Some of the HOT Indonesia team can speak to the issues with
>> translating documentation in Transifex. The biggest issue I think
>> (correct me if I'm wrong team) is if the "master" documentation
>> language has a lot of tweaks. Meaning it works best if there is a
>> "release" of the documentation and then the translations start.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> -Kate
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Rafael Avila Coya 
>> <ravilacoya at gmail.com <mailto:ravilacoya at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
> Hi all:
> 
> I wonder if we can gather some people interested in boosting the 
> LearnOSM project. Now that the new Tasking Manager is out, it could
> be really nice to improve the learning/training materials. In my
> opinion, there are at least two points that need to improve:
> 
> 1) Translation through git is not a good idea, as it is very 
> complicated for most of the people. Would it be possible to carry
> the translation through Transifex, like with the Tasking Manager
> and uMap, for example? Images would be left aside of the 
> translation, but there can be an smart way to deal with that.
> 
> 2) Reorganize the material, and probably create some more.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Rafael.
> 
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