[HOT] Training or Coaching Task / Project within TM?
Nick Allen
nick.allen.54 at gmail.com
Tue Sep 9 15:58:57 UTC 2014
Charlotte,
Thanks for your thoughts on this. I am passing them on & will try to act
on them myself - I Know that at least one person is keen to create a
satellite imagery interpretation guide, which should help.
Regards
Nick
(Tallguy)
On 09/09/14 16:53, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
> Nick,
>
> I am not technically a "new" mapper, having workedon several HOT
> projects before, But, in a sense, most of us are new mappers because
> the terrain is new as is the cultural background on what we see. When
> I mapped the Colorado fires, I knew the typical configurations of
> roads in the suburbs I was mapping. That is not true for Liberia or
> Sierra Leone.
> You have highlighted nicely most of the challenges I have encountered
> while doing this mapping, and I have some suggestions to go along with
> yours.
> --The size of the squares--They need to be smaller. Where there are
> many scattered farms but few towns, there is no way I can complete the
> square in two hours. Worse, it is difficult to keep track of where I
> am because I have to zoom in to be sure that what I am seeing is,
> indeed, a house. If the square were smaller, I could complete it, and
> I wouldn't become so disorieted when I zoom in.
> --We need some geographical background on the area, such as examples
> of what we might see. For example, one validator corrected an area
> that I had, somewhat dubiously, marked as "residential." He said it
> was, in fact, surface mining. If I had known that there might be
> surface mining (blood diamonds?), then I would have looked more
> critically at the bare area with what seemed to be squares.
> I think those changes would not require much effort from the HOT
> people. I don't want to burden them. I would, however, like to reduce
> my frustration while working on this effort.
> I like your suggestion about small trial squares. It's a good training
> system, but I also think some background on the geography we are
> looking at would be helpful.
>
> Best,
>
> Charlotte Wolter
>
>
> At 06:58 AM 9/9/2014, you wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think there is a gap between the training available from the
>> various sources such as LearnOSM & someone reaching the stage of
>> feeling confident to map for HOT. Although we tend to think of new
>> mappers with no experience at all, it also extends to mappers who are
>> used to mapping their 'own back yard' but are concerned they may not
>> interpret the aerial imagery correctly when mapping for HOT.
>>
>> I have seen several messages appear on the HOT mailing list where a
>> 'new to HOT' mapper has asked where to start. I've also been
>> contacted by a number of mappers asking me to check / validate their
>> first squares in HOT. Having been involved in training new mappers at
>> mapathons I have noticed they are unlikely to finish the current size
>> of squares within 2 hours & they are also interested in receiving
>> feedback on their progress. Recent discussion on this mailing list
>> indicates many mappers are interested in feedback, especially in the
>> early stages.
>>
>> As a test to see how successful it would be, I'm interested in having
>> a project / Task which is marked up as suitable for new mappers. The
>> squares should be much smaller in size, such that we anticipate the
>> new mapper can complete a square within 15 to 20 minutes. In the
>> perfect world that square would then be looked at fairly soon by a
>> validator who makes suggestions if they are needed. After completing
>> a few of these squares the new mapper should have the confidence to
>> move onto any of the other general tasks. As an aside, this need not
>> be a 'new task' - it could just as easily be a 'high' which has
>> dropped down the list, but it would need adapting with additional
>> instructions, and exisitng squares awaiting validation being
>> validated & the outstanding squares being split far smaller than
>> normal. It would need to be advertised so that new mappers find it -
>> highlighted link from the home page of the Tasking Manager?
>>
>> I'm willing to validate & offer feedback on such a project / task,
>> but ideally several other validators need to be involved. There are
>> also times when I am not available.
>>
>> These views are my own - it would be good to get the opinions of;
>>
>> a/. New to HOT mappers (we all were once, so everyone's view
>> appreciated) - would it have helped with the transition, and
>> b/. potential validators for such a project / task. - if there were a
>> few squares waiting validation (potentially a new mapper waiting for
>> a progress report before continuing), would you be willing to help
>> with the validation. Because the squares are smaller there will be
>> problems with working out highway grades, and an overview approach
>> viewing several squares on occasion would be needed.
>>
>> I'm intending to present this topic at a Training working group, but
>> would like the views of other mappers.
>> --
>>
>> Nick
>>
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