[HOT] HOT Digest, Vol 55, Issue 25

Dominic Baker bakerdominic at hotmail.com
Tue Sep 9 17:20:39 UTC 2014


Hi all,

 As a new mapper I really like the idea of there being training squares. I'd been prevaricating for a while before getting involved but was lucky enough to attend the missing maps event in Ldn which gave myself and a colleague the confidence to jump in. In retrospect the guidance (LearnOSM) is clear but there is a fear that You might be doing things incorrectly and early guidance/feedback would boost my confidence, especially to mark a task as complete.

Apologies if these things exist but...

Before and after screenshots to illustrate the level of detail and gauge what can be reasonably inferred from blurry imagery
Everything tall guy said in his email 
A way for newbs to request validation
At the risk of sounding incredibly flakey some 'customer journey mapping' of new users to see what makes them scratch their heads and go hmmmm

This isn't a moan, the tasking manager and iD are incredibly well designed and easy to use...

Thanks,

Dombo

PS Currently working on #630 Bukama.
Any feedback appreciated.


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> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:58:29 +0100
> From: Nick Allen <nick.allen.54 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [HOT] Training or Coaching Task / Project within TM?
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> Hi,
> 
> I think there is a gap between the training available from the various 
> sources such as LearnOSM & someone reaching the stage of feeling 
> confident to map for HOT. Although we tend to think of new mappers with 
> no experience at all, it also extends to mappers who are used to mapping 
> their 'own back yard' but are concerned they may not interpret the 
> aerial imagery correctly when mapping for HOT.
> 
> I have seen several messages appear on the HOT mailing list where a 'new 
> to HOT' mapper has asked where to start. I've also been contacted by a 
> number of mappers asking me to check / validate their first squares in 
> HOT. Having been involved in training new mappers at mapathons I have 
> noticed they are unlikely to finish the current size of squares within 2 
> hours & they are also interested in receiving feedback on their 
> progress. Recent discussion on this mailing list indicates many mappers 
> are interested in feedback, especially in the early stages.
> 
> As a test to see how successful it would be, I'm interested in having a 
> project / Task which is marked up as suitable for new mappers. The 
> squares should be much smaller in size, such that we anticipate the new 
> mapper can complete a square within 15 to 20 minutes. In the perfect 
> world that square would then be looked at fairly soon by a validator who 
> makes suggestions if they are needed. After completing a few of these 
> squares the new mapper should have the confidence to move onto any of 
> the other general tasks. As an aside, this need not be a 'new task' - it 
> could just as easily be a 'high' which has dropped down the list, but it 
> would need adapting with additional instructions, and exisitng squares 
> awaiting validation being validated & the outstanding squares being 
> split far smaller than normal. It would need to be advertised so that 
> new mappers find it - highlighted link from the home page of the Tasking 
> Manager?
> 
> I'm willing to validate & offer feedback on such a project / task, but 
> ideally several other validators need to be involved. There are also 
> times when I am not available.
> 
> These views are my own - it would be good to get the opinions of;
> 
> a/. New to HOT mappers (we all were once, so everyone's view 
> appreciated) - would it have helped with the transition, and
> b/. potential validators for such a project / task. - if there were a 
> few squares waiting validation (potentially a new mapper waiting for a 
> progress report before continuing), would you be willing to help with 
> the validation. Because the squares are smaller there will be problems 
> with working out highway grades, and an overview approach viewing 
> several squares on occasion would be needed.
> 
> I'm intending to present this topic at a Training working group, but 
> would like the views of other mappers.
> -- 
> 
> Nick
> 
> Volunteer 'Tallguy' for 
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> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy
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> From: Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>
> To: Nick Allen <nick.allen.54 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "HOT at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Training or Coaching Task / Project within TM?
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>> As a test to see how successful it would be, I'm interested in having a
>> project / Task which is marked up as suitable for new mappers. The
>> squares should be much smaller in size, such that we anticipate the new
>> mapper can complete a square within 15 to 20 minutes. In the perfect
>> world that square would then be looked at fairly soon by a validator who
>> makes suggestions if they are needed. After completing a few of these
>> squares the new mapper should have the confidence to move onto any of
>> the other general tasks. As an aside, this need not be a 'new task' - it
>> could just as easily be a 'high' which has dropped down the list, but it
>> would need adapting with additional instructions, and exisitng squares
>> awaiting validation being validated & the outstanding squares being
>> split far smaller than normal. It would need to be advertised so that
>> new mappers find it - highlighted link from the home page of the Tasking
>> Manager?
> 
> 
> What a great idea. I could not agree more with this suggestion. I would 
> be happy to help with task creation, validation and feedback.
> 
> It seems like a very easy thing to do technically as well since 
> everything that is needed for it is already in place right now.
> 
> Regards,
> blake
> 
> 
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> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 16:58:57 +0100
> From: Nick Allen <nick.allen.54 at gmail.com>
> To: Charlotte Wolter <techlady at techlady.com>,  "HOT at openstreetmap.org"
>    <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Training or Coaching Task / Project within TM?
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> Charlotte,
> 
> Thanks for your thoughts on this. I am passing them on & will try to act 
> on them myself - I Know that at least one person is keen to create a 
> satellite imagery interpretation guide, which should help.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Nick
> (Tallguy)
> 
> On 09/09/14 16:53, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
>> Nick,
>> 
>> I am not technically a "new" mapper, having workedon several HOT 
>> projects before, But, in a sense, most of us are new mappers because 
>> the terrain is new as is the cultural background on what we see. When 
>> I mapped the Colorado fires, I knew the typical configurations of 
>> roads in the suburbs I was mapping. That is not true for Liberia or 
>> Sierra Leone.
>> You have highlighted nicely most of the challenges I have encountered 
>> while doing this mapping, and I have some suggestions to go along with 
>> yours.
>> --The size of the squares--They need to be smaller. Where there are 
>> many scattered farms but few towns, there is no way I can complete the 
>> square in two hours. Worse, it is difficult to keep track of where I 
>> am because I have to zoom in to be sure that what I am seeing is, 
>> indeed, a house. If the square were smaller, I could complete it, and 
>> I wouldn't become so disorieted when I zoom in.
>> --We need some geographical background on the area, such as examples 
>> of what we might see. For example, one validator corrected an area 
>> that I had, somewhat dubiously, marked as "residential." He said it 
>> was, in fact, surface mining. If I had known that there might be 
>> surface mining (blood diamonds?), then I would have looked more 
>> critically at the bare area with what seemed to be squares.
>> I think those changes would not require much effort from the HOT 
>> people. I don't want to burden them. I would, however, like to reduce 
>> my frustration while working on this effort.
>> I like your suggestion about small trial squares. It's a good training 
>> system, but I also think some background on the geography we are 
>> looking at would be helpful.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Charlotte Wolter
>> 
>> 
>> At 06:58 AM 9/9/2014, you wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think there is a gap between the training available from the 
>>> various sources such as LearnOSM & someone reaching the stage of 
>>> feeling confident to map for HOT. Although we tend to think of new 
>>> mappers with no experience at all, it also extends to mappers who are 
>>> used to mapping their 'own back yard' but are concerned they may not 
>>> interpret the aerial imagery correctly when mapping for HOT.
>>> 
>>> I have seen several messages appear on the HOT mailing list where a 
>>> 'new to HOT' mapper has asked where to start. I've also been 
>>> contacted by a number of mappers asking me to check / validate their 
>>> first squares in HOT. Having been involved in training new mappers at 
>>> mapathons I have noticed they are unlikely to finish the current size 
>>> of squares within 2 hours & they are also interested in receiving 
>>> feedback on their progress. Recent discussion on this mailing list 
>>> indicates many mappers are interested in feedback, especially in the 
>>> early stages.
>>> 
>>> As a test to see how successful it would be, I'm interested in having 
>>> a project / Task which is marked up as suitable for new mappers. The 
>>> squares should be much smaller in size, such that we anticipate the 
>>> new mapper can complete a square within 15 to 20 minutes. In the 
>>> perfect world that square would then be looked at fairly soon by a 
>>> validator who makes suggestions if they are needed. After completing 
>>> a few of these squares the new mapper should have the confidence to 
>>> move onto any of the other general tasks. As an aside, this need not 
>>> be a 'new task' - it could just as easily be a 'high' which has 
>>> dropped down the list, but it would need adapting with additional 
>>> instructions, and exisitng squares awaiting validation being 
>>> validated & the outstanding squares being split far smaller than 
>>> normal. It would need to be advertised so that new mappers find it - 
>>> highlighted link from the home page of the Tasking Manager?
>>> 
>>> I'm willing to validate & offer feedback on such a project / task, 
>>> but ideally several other validators need to be involved. There are 
>>> also times when I am not available.
>>> 
>>> These views are my own - it would be good to get the opinions of;
>>> 
>>> a/. New to HOT mappers (we all were once, so everyone's view 
>>> appreciated) - would it have helped with the transition, and
>>> b/. potential validators for such a project / task. - if there were a 
>>> few squares waiting validation (potentially a new mapper waiting for 
>>> a progress report before continuing), would you be willing to help 
>>> with the validation. Because the squares are smaller there will be 
>>> problems with working out highway grades, and an overview approach 
>>> viewing several squares on occasion would be needed.
>>> 
>>> I'm intending to present this topic at a Training working group, but 
>>> would like the views of other mappers.
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>> Volunteer 'Tallguy' for 
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team 
>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team>
>>> 
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy 
>>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy>
>>> 
>>> Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for 
>>> http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ 
>>> <http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/> 
>>> (treasurer at 6thswanleyscouts.org.uk 
>>> <mailto:treasurer at 6thswanleyscouts.org.uk>)
>>> _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list 
>>> HOT at openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot 
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>> 
>> Charlotte Wolter
>> 927 18th Street Suite A
>> Santa Monica, California
>> 90403
>> +1-310-597-4040
>> techlady at techlady.com
>> Skype: thetechlady
> 
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> 
> Nick
> 
> Volunteer 'Tallguy' for 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy
> 
> Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for 
> http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ (treasurer at 6thswanleyscouts.org.uk 
> <mailto:treasurer at 6thswanleyscouts.org.uk>)
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