[HOT] SPAM? MALWARE? Fwd: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human Geography

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Sun Apr 12 22:33:32 UTC 2015

Perhaps we should set that as a protocol for a survey requirement, an HTTPS
address that is recognisable as a university url?

One of the problems with surveys is selection criteria of the sample and
having picked your sample the response rate.  Working for a few years at
Statistics Canada you get indoctrinated with this stuff.  I think it was
something they slipped into the coffee.

Looking at the questions they are coming from a particular angle and it
shows.  One question is what do you map.  The answer is basically whatever
is requested in the HOT project.  One question they didn't ask is why do
you choose to map a particular project?  They seem to be hung up on which
part of the world you are mapping which to be honest I've not much idea.  I
even looked at the list of HOT projects I'd mapped and tried to correlate
them to the names in the survey.  I don't think I got a good match.  Some
projects where probably in areas that they were after but I didn't
recognise them as such.  There is such a thing as respondent burden and
asking people to say if they have mapped in an area without giving the
project numbers is asking for trouble.  If I look at my HOT mapping there
are basically two types, one I dig into a project and do 50-250 tiles and
others where I might do one or two tiles.  Do they give equal weight to an
area that I've mapped 250 tiles in to one I've mapped one tile in?  I just
either respond to an urgent priority request, or curiosity, or I have a
small collection of projects that I'm slowly mapping in slow time that have
good imagery to map from and project instructions that I think I can
manage.  I'm still hopeless at deciding what purpose a building is from a
satellite image unless the natives have been out with a paint brush on the
roof and painted what it is before the satellite flies by.

The other thing that might be interesting to know is which projects have
people on the ground to do a better job of tagging.  Street names aren't
visible from on high but that's another survey.

I wonder how much information they could have got straight from HOT without
asking the questions?  HOT gives you the list of projects and the number of
tiles which roughly corresponds to how much mapping you do. The OSM profile
gives more information.  You might not get all the information requested
but the response rate would be much better which means the quality of the
data would be higher.

It's not a bad survey but I get the impression that if they had done some
HOT mapping first they might have a better understanding of how the system
works and they would have got more meaningful data.  For example we know
that in some areas there is an educated population that we can tap into.
Bangladesh, the Philippines  etc. and often the local mappers are heavily
involved in the HOT mapping in some case providing as much as 75% of the
mapping.  In other areas such as Africa there is less Internet
availability, computer knowledge and fewer people who are familiar with
computers and JOSM so in those cases we can expect that most mapping will
be done remotely with local tagging hopefully later on.

Cheerio John

On 12 April 2015 at 17:19, Charlotte Wolter <techlady at techlady.com> wrote:

>  John,
>         I'm sure the universsity of legit. I'm just not sure about these
> guys.
>         I'd feel better if they had a university URL. In fact, I think
> that's
> basic, if the survey is what they claim.
> Charlotte
> At 11:58 AM 4/12/2015, you wrote:
> I opened the link and did the survey. Looks legitimate.
> I have various bits of software that check for things.
> It would probably be more secure if it didn't ask for
> javascript to be enabled, and I'd be happier with a
> https connection.
> Cheerio
> John
> On 12 April 2015 at 14:27, Charlotte Wolter <techlady at techlady.com> wrote:
>  Dear folks,
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I just received this. Because there was no advance notice
> of any kind,
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I'm inclined to think that it is malware. I certainly do
> not intend to open
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â the link to their "survey."
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Does anyone know if this is legit?
> Charlotte
>  Delivered-To: techlady at techlady.com
> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:49:49 +0200
> From: Simon Köbel < s7976889 at stud.uni-frankfurt.de>
> To: pierzenh at yahoo.fr, mhairi.ohara at hotosm.org, danspecht at gmail.com,
> Â severin.menard at gmail.com, jwhelan0112 at gmail.com,
> claire.halleux at hotosm.org ,
> Â yantisa.akhadi at hotosm.org, bgirardot at gmail.com, nick.allen.54 at gmail.com,
> Â techlady at techlady.com
> Cc: mikel_maron at yahoo.com, kate.chapman at hotosm.org,
> Â domi.wehner at googlemail.com , fabian_will at hotmail.com, elzumweh at gmail.com
> ,
> Â burger at geo.uni-frankfurt.de
> Subject: Survey Goethe-University Frankfurt a. M. Department of Human
> Â Geography
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> Dear HOT-Users,
> We are a group of social-geography students at the
> Department of Human Geography at the Goethe-University
> Frankfurt a.M. and would like to ask for your assistance
> in our student research project about Volunteered Geographic
> Information Systems in general and Humanitarian OpenStreetMap
> Team in particular.
> We would be interested in conducting a survey among all
> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap participants, about their experiences
> with Humanitarian OpenStreetMap and their motivation to
> particpate in Humanitarian OpenStreetMap.
> One of the main aspects we want to examine is how the
> respondents are related to the areas they map for Humanitarian
> OpenStreetMap and to determine their socio-demographic
> background.
> This survey is supposed to be the centerpiece of our research
> project so we would be very thankful for your cooperation.
> We chose your mail adress from the HOT mailing list to help us
> optimize our work with a pretest, if you have some time to spare.
> If you click the link below and answer the questions in the survey
> and maybe give some feedback at the end of it, we will be able to
> find possible errors in our survey design. As mentioned before, this
> is a pretest, so if you like you can still participate in the final
> survey we will hopefully send out in a couple of weeks so we can
> work with the interesting answers and insights you might give to us.
> Here you will find the link to our anonymous survey
> hot.geomedienlabor.de
> For reference about our research project we would like to refer you to our
> lecturer, David Burger ( burger at geo.uni-frankfurt.de).
> We would gladly share the results of our research project with you.
> Best regards,
> Simon Köbel, Dominik Wehner, Lucas Wenzel, Fabian Will
> Charlotte Wolter
> 927 18th Street Suite A
> Santa Monica, California
> 90403
> +1-310-597-4040
> techlady at techlady.com
> Skype: thetechlady
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