AYTOUN RALPH ralph.aytoun at ntlworld.com
Mon Apr 27 15:55:28 UTC 2015

OK. I will not say anything further on this open forum.

On 27 April 2015 at 16:50, Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Ralph, Pierre, Nama and Pete.
> Ralph, I think that the process for learning is hard and that our
> activation processes do need work. This is why I am so excited that some
> people are meeting this week for the Activation Team and then for the HOT
> Summit. We will get there. I would only ask that you warmly welcome new
> people more. It is hard to learn and your note might have made them feel
> not welcome.
> Pierre, Absolutely, we all need to take care. I, too, and starting to feel
> the strain of crisis actions. I will share some more about this tomorrow as
> I promised myself that I would log off after work, have a meal, and go for
> a walk. Health matters.
> Pete, I am not sure this is the time to decide.
> Nama - I agree that maybe we need to have a validation work around.
> Perhaps someone can help on that? Many of you are so very experienced in
> this.
> All - HOT is an open community. All of us have different skills and
> skill-sets, we come from different cultures and are global. This is what
> makes us amazing, and it is also hard. For all the new mappers, please do
> read the guides and ask questions on the various channels. There are so
> many mappers here. It should always be a safe place to ask a question on
> the mailing list or IRC or mumble. This is part of the learning journey.
> Yes, we have some changes to make and we will do so, but we are very much
> guided by our Code of Conduct and our desire to grow and support people
> with maps.
> Thank you
> Heather
> Heather Leson
> heatherleson at gmail.com
> Twitter: HeatherLeson
> Blog: textontechs.com
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> Ralph,
>> Crisis management, redundance, and yes sometimes frustrating. But we have
>> to keep our positive energy after running non stop since saturday morning.
>> Crowdsourcing, we evolve from these experiences in context of crisis.
>> We would surely need a validation process that let's focus on the less
>> experienced contributors.
>> I wonder if such information could be extracted from the Task manager -
>> Tasks completed by contributors less then xx months of experience ??
>> Should we have a team of validators that work together and identify ways
>> to go on with validation and assure both quick response and quality?
>> Pierre
>>   ------------------------------
>>  *De :* AYTOUN RALPH <ralph.aytoun at ntlworld.com>
>> *À :* hot at openstreetmap.org
>> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 27 avril 2015 11h25
>> If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out.
>> We need to change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it.
>> These Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives are
>> at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some with no
>> completed tiles and others with only one or two completed tiles) messing
>> around with validating tiles or unlocking already validated tiles and
>> working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal #944 showing 5 validated
>> tiles are actively locked. When I checked on the people that were doing
>> this they were complete beginners.
>> I have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these
>> beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected roads
>> (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then validating
>> this tile, then invalidating it again.
>> While I am all in favour of getting new mappers up and going this should
>> only be done on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is
>> extremely important that we get it right as quickly as possible for those
>> people out in the field with injured and dead all around them and lives at
>> stake for us to be rechecking already validated tiles because we can no
>> longer trust them to be correct or near to correct.
>> We have already had complaints about poor quality work in the past and
>> this type of activity is not going to get us any better credibility. We
>> really need to rethink the "open to all" policy for HOT Activations.
>> I am now looking at #944 which shows 63% Validated right now and there is
>> two more Validated tiles that are actively locked.
>> I no longer trust the Green marked tiles as being checked and cleared. I
>> know that the majority of what we are producing will be of some assistance
>> in the hills of Nepal but can also imagine the frustration of those people
>> with some of the nonsense I have managed to clean up while validating.
>> OK. Rant over. I will be sending out messages to all the new mappers I
>> have identified asking them to only work on the white tiles and not to open
>> any of the orange or green ones until they have a lot more experience.
>> Sorry to have interrupted you in the middle of this crisis but felt that
>> this needed to be said.
>> Ralph (RAytoun)
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