Heather Leson heatherleson at gmail.com
Mon Apr 27 15:50:06 UTC 2015

Thanks Ralph, Pierre, Nama and Pete.

Ralph, I think that the process for learning is hard and that our
activation processes do need work. This is why I am so excited that some
people are meeting this week for the Activation Team and then for the HOT
Summit. We will get there. I would only ask that you warmly welcome new
people more. It is hard to learn and your note might have made them feel
not welcome.

Pierre, Absolutely, we all need to take care. I, too, and starting to feel
the strain of crisis actions. I will share some more about this tomorrow as
I promised myself that I would log off after work, have a meal, and go for
a walk. Health matters.

Pete, I am not sure this is the time to decide.

Nama - I agree that maybe we need to have a validation work around. Perhaps
someone can help on that? Many of you are so very experienced in this.

All - HOT is an open community. All of us have different skills and
skill-sets, we come from different cultures and are global. This is what
makes us amazing, and it is also hard. For all the new mappers, please do
read the guides and ask questions on the various channels. There are so
many mappers here. It should always be a safe place to ask a question on
the mailing list or IRC or mumble. This is part of the learning journey.
Yes, we have some changes to make and we will do so, but we are very much
guided by our Code of Conduct and our desire to grow and support people
with maps.

Thank you


Heather Leson
heatherleson at gmail.com
Twitter: HeatherLeson
Blog: textontechs.com

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> Ralph,
> Crisis management, redundance, and yes sometimes frustrating. But we have
> to keep our positive energy after running non stop since saturday morning.
> Crowdsourcing, we evolve from these experiences in context of crisis.
> We would surely need a validation process that let's focus on the less
> experienced contributors.
> I wonder if such information could be extracted from the Task manager -
> Tasks completed by contributors less then xx months of experience ??
> Should we have a team of validators that work together and identify ways
> to go on with validation and assure both quick response and quality?
> Pierre
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>  *De :* AYTOUN RALPH <ralph.aytoun at ntlworld.com>
> *À :* hot at openstreetmap.org
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> If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out.
> We need to change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it.
> These Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives are
> at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some with no
> completed tiles and others with only one or two completed tiles) messing
> around with validating tiles or unlocking already validated tiles and
> working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal #944 showing 5 validated
> tiles are actively locked. When I checked on the people that were doing
> this they were complete beginners.
> I have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these
> beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected roads
> (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then validating
> this tile, then invalidating it again.
> While I am all in favour of getting new mappers up and going this should
> only be done on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is
> extremely important that we get it right as quickly as possible for those
> people out in the field with injured and dead all around them and lives at
> stake for us to be rechecking already validated tiles because we can no
> longer trust them to be correct or near to correct.
> We have already had complaints about poor quality work in the past and
> this type of activity is not going to get us any better credibility. We
> really need to rethink the "open to all" policy for HOT Activations.
> I am now looking at #944 which shows 63% Validated right now and there is
> two more Validated tiles that are actively locked.
> I no longer trust the Green marked tiles as being checked and cleared. I
> know that the majority of what we are producing will be of some assistance
> in the hills of Nepal but can also imagine the frustration of those people
> with some of the nonsense I have managed to clean up while validating.
> OK. Rant over. I will be sending out messages to all the new mappers I
> have identified asking them to only work on the white tiles and not to open
> any of the orange or green ones until they have a lot more experience.
> Sorry to have interrupted you in the middle of this crisis but felt that
> this needed to be said.
> Ralph (RAytoun)
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