[HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Mon Apr 27 23:37:19 UTC 2015

Andrew
This remembers such experiences for the Ebola outbreak. With a long Activation, we saw contributors that did improve rapidly and did a great job. They were in the top list of contributors.
This is social gathering, and we have to take care to accompany well the new contributors. 

I did make some comments over the last year about improvements to make to our monitoring tools. We should surely continue to look at this and assure we have the possibility to both keep our reactivity and produce quality mapping.
regard  
Pierre 

      De : Andrew Buck <andrew.r.buck at gmail.com>
 À : hot at openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : Lundi 27 avril 2015 19h21
 Objet : Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

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I understand the frustration.  Some times the newbies do very bad, but
some produce very good data as well.  One thing that we can also do is
load large sections of the country in JOSM with the 'mirrored
download' plugin.  You can then scan over a large area and just check
the roads for major problems like you mention.  Even just a few people
doing this every now and then makes a huge difference.

Remember, the tasking manager is not the only way we have to map.
Experienced people can work on their own, as long as they are mindful
of what they are doing and try a bit to avoid causing conflicts for
other mappers.

- -AndrewBuck

On 04/27/2015 10:25 AM, AYTOUN RALPH wrote:
> If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out. We need to
> change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it. These
> Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives
> are at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some
> with no completed tiles and others with only one or two completed
> tiles) messing around with validating tiles or unlocking already
> validated tiles and working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal
> #944 showing 5 validated tiles are actively locked. When I checked
> on the people that were doing this they were complete beginners. I
> have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these 
> beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected
> roads (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then
> validating this tile, then invalidating it again. While I am all in
> favour of getting new mappers up and going this should only be done
> on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is 
> extremely important that we get it right as quickly as possible for
> those people out in the field with injured and dead all around them
> and lives at stake for us to be rechecking already validated tiles
> because we can no longer trust them to be correct or near to
> correct. We have already had complaints about poor quality work in
> the past and this type of activity is not going to get us any
> better credibility. We really need to rethink the "open to all"
> policy for HOT Activations. I am now looking at #944 which shows
> 63% Validated right now and there is two more Validated tiles that
> are actively locked. I no longer trust the Green marked tiles as
> being checked and cleared. I know that the majority of what we are
> producing will be of some assistance in the hills of Nepal but can
> also imagine the frustration of those people with some of the
> nonsense I have managed to clean up while validating. OK. Rant
> over. I will be sending out messages to all the new mappers I have 
> identified asking them to only work on the white tiles and not to
> open any of the orange or green ones until they have a lot more
> experience. Sorry to have interrupted you in the middle of this
> crisis but felt that this needed to be said. Ralph (RAytoun)
> 
> 
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