[HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Tue Apr 28 05:18:13 UTC 2015

This is one of the main things I want to discuss with people at the HOT
Summit this week and a central issue for Missing Maps. If it is of interest
to any of you, please find me in DC or drop me a line...

Pete

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks everyone. Pierre, your story about new people improving is great. I
> know many of us started during an emergency.
>
> For our dear friend and fellow mapper, Ralph. Thank you. I know I was firm
> last night, but waking this morning (Doha) I really think you are right
> that we need to improve new mapper onboarding during emergencies. So, I
> started another email chain about training help.
>
> Step by step,
>
> heather
>
> Heather Leson
> heatherleson at gmail.com
> Twitter: HeatherLeson
> Blog: textontechs.com
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Andrew
>>
>> This remembers such experiences for the Ebola outbreak. With a long
>> Activation, we saw contributors that did improve rapidly and did a great
>> job. They were in the top list of contributors.
>>
>> This is social gathering, and we have to take care to accompany well the
>> new contributors.
>>
>> I did make some comments over the last year about improvements to make to
>> our monitoring tools. We should surely continue to look at this and assure
>> we have the possibility to both keep our reactivity and produce quality
>> mapping.
>>
>> regard
>>
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>>  *De :* Andrew Buck <andrew.r.buck at gmail.com>
>> *À :* hot at openstreetmap.org
>> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 27 avril 2015 19h21
>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!
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>> I understand the frustration.  Some times the newbies do very bad, but
>> some produce very good data as well.  One thing that we can also do is
>> load large sections of the country in JOSM with the 'mirrored
>> download' plugin.  You can then scan over a large area and just check
>> the roads for major problems like you mention.  Even just a few people
>> doing this every now and then makes a huge difference.
>>
>> Remember, the tasking manager is not the only way we have to map.
>> Experienced people can work on their own, as long as they are mindful
>> of what they are doing and try a bit to avoid causing conflicts for
>> other mappers.
>>
>> - -AndrewBuck
>>
>>
>> On 04/27/2015 10:25 AM, AYTOUN RALPH wrote:
>> > If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out. We need to
>> > change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it. These
>> > Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives
>> > are at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some
>> > with no completed tiles and others with only one or two completed
>> > tiles) messing around with validating tiles or unlocking already
>> > validated tiles and working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal
>> > #944 showing 5 validated tiles are actively locked. When I checked
>> > on the people that were doing this they were complete beginners. I
>> > have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these
>> > beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected
>> > roads (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then
>> > validating this tile, then invalidating it again. While I am all in
>> > favour of getting new mappers up and going this should only be done
>> > on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is
>> > extremely important that we get it right as quickly as possible for
>> > those people out in the field with injured and dead all around them
>> > and lives at stake for us to be rechecking already validated tiles
>> > because we can no longer trust them to be correct or near to
>> > correct. We have already had complaints about poor quality work in
>> > the past and this type of activity is not going to get us any
>> > better credibility. We really need to rethink the "open to all"
>> > policy for HOT Activations. I am now looking at #944 which shows
>> > 63% Validated right now and there is two more Validated tiles that
>> > are actively locked. I no longer trust the Green marked tiles as
>> > being checked and cleared. I know that the majority of what we are
>> > producing will be of some assistance in the hills of Nepal but can
>> > also imagine the frustration of those people with some of the
>> > nonsense I have managed to clean up while validating. OK. Rant
>> > over. I will be sending out messages to all the new mappers I have
>> > identified asking them to only work on the white tiles and not to
>> > open any of the orange or green ones until they have a lot more
>> > experience. Sorry to have interrupted you in the middle of this
>> > crisis but felt that this needed to be said. Ralph (RAytoun)
>> >
>> >
>> >
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