[HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Tue Apr 28 18:38:25 UTC 2015

Joining this megathread with some feedback from trainings I'm running: 

1. Peole area eager to do things "the right way" the problem is that once you've completed the Mapgive style training and selected a specific job to work on, there is VERY LITTLE TO NO GUIDANCE on what is the "right way" to digitize buildings, Residential areas, roads and paths for specific tasks. 

2. Project Descriptions and Instructions should include the stakeholder's end use (what are the building footprints to be used for? Why is delineating residential areas important?, etc...), so people understand what the use of what they are creating is. I'm not even sure what the data is being used for as I am doing training, so my stock answer is "buildings are not for cadastral purposes, they don't need to be perfect. They are for counts, for population estimates and for prioritization and assessment." It would be helpful if someone with more knowledge of the end use could provide real insight into HOW the data is actually being operationalized. That kind of feedback can drive better data creation. 

3. Images of region and job specific examples of buildings, resid areas and roads/paths need to be part of the Description/Instructions. An excellent example of how effective this can be is this recent job: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1010 

4. If you have a complaint about how something is being done, Don't spend 10 minutes creating a rant email. Spend 30 creating a tutorial for how to do it right. People want to help, they want to know how to help, they want to know how to help in the best way possible. Help them help. 

I'm doing a training in 20 minutes (did one last night for 20+ Nepali students here at Stanford). When I'm done, I will work on screenshots and writing up examples of good work on Nepal Roads, Buildings and residential areas. If someone can send me links to examples in OSM, or provide clarification on stakeholder needs and uses of these layers to help guide me in that tutorial, that would be great. 

In F,L&T, 
Stace Maples 
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Stanford Geospatial Center 
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From: "Pierre Béland" <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> 
To: "Andrew Buck" <andrew.r.buck at gmail.com>, hot at openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 6:57:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH! 

I would add to this, 

This is the ransom of the success we had with the OpenStreetMap responses over the last few years 

- Haiti 2010 1.5 million edits 
- Haiyan 2013 4.5 million edits 
- Ebola million edits 16 milllions up to now? 
- Nepal 2015, 1.5 million edits in three days (my last count yesterday night) 

These HOT activations are quite a labotary, both very frustrating and motivating. We grow rapidly, interconnect with more organizations and constantly have to revise our workflows, adapt to new contexts. 

At the same time, this is what's make our force. 

What's can help the most in such HOT activations is some groups of experimented OSM contributors that take tasks like validation or routing. At the same time, the coordination is very important. Workflows and progress should be discussed. 

Amazing also all the products that came out in the last few days proposed by various developpers. Too busy to list them now. Please add these in the wiki. 

Cheer 

Pierre 

De : Andrew Buck <andrew.r.buck at gmail.com> 
À : hot at openstreetmap.org 
Envoyé le : Mardi 28 avril 2015 8h18 
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I do agree with you in principle, and actually suggested using the 
information on the task manager linke number of tiles a user has 
completed to do things like flag new users tiles for extra caution in 
validating and such. Whether we want to restrict validating by them 
as well is another possibility. We need to be very careful though to 
not discourage them because new users are the people that become 
experienced users a short time later and we need all the volunteers we 
can get. 

Also, I do think we tend to focus too much on the task manager, 
especially during activations; that is why I mentioned the josm thing. 
It is an excellent tool, and we should definitely continue using it, 
but we should also look at other ways more experienced mappers can 
help out. Downloading large areas by an experienced mapper and 'spot 
checking' them it a very good, and efficient, way of doing QA for 
those that know how. We need to be thinking of these other, non task 
manager, workflows for more experienced mappers that don't interfere 
with the workers on the task managers, but also allow for more 
efficient work by those who can handle the tools. 

- -AndrewBuck 

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