[HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

Wed Apr 29 16:31:18 UTC 2015

Kevin
I have a script that collects all the changesets for a BBOX. Below are the coordinates of the BBOX with partly Tibet and India.min_lon=80.6828, min_lat=26.7027, max_lon=87.4739, max_lat=29.8856
regard 

Pierre 

      De : Kevin Bullock <kbullock at digitalglobe.com>
 À : 'Pierre Béland' <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>; Andrew Buck <andrew.r.buck at gmail.com>; "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org> 
 Envoyé le : Mercredi 29 avril 2015 11h53
 Objet : RE: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!

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From: Pierre Béland [mailto:pierzenh at yahoo.fr]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:57 AM
To: Andrew Buck; hot at openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!    I would add to this, 

 This is the ransom of the success we had with the OpenStreetMap responses over the last few years 

 - Haiti 2010 1.5 million edits - Haiyan 2013 4.5 million edits - Ebola  million edits 16 milllions up to now?

 - Nepal 2015, 1.5 million edits in three days (my last count yesterday night)    These HOT activations are quite a labotary, both very frustrating and motivating. We grow rapidly, interconnect with more organizations and constantly have to revise our workflows, adapt to new contexts.    At the same time, this is what's make our force.    What's can help the most in such HOT activations is some groups of experimented OSM contributors that take tasks like validation or routing. At the same time, the coordination is very important. Workflows and progress should be discussed.    Amazing also all the products that came out in the last few days proposed by various developpers. Too busy to list them now. Please add these in the wiki.    Cheer     
Pierre

    De : Andrew Buck <andrew.r.buck at gmail.com>
À : hot at openstreetmap.org 
Envoyé le : Mardi 28 avril 2015 8h18
Objet : Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH! 
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I do agree with you in principle, and actually suggested using the
information on the task manager linke number of tiles a user has
completed to do things like flag new users tiles for extra caution in
validating and such.  Whether we want to restrict validating by them
as well is another possibility.  We need to be very careful though to
not discourage them because new users are the people that become
experienced users a short time later and we need all the volunteers we
can get.

Also, I do think we tend to focus too much on the task manager,
especially during activations; that is why I mentioned the josm thing.
It is an excellent tool, and we should definitely continue using it,
but we should also look at other ways more experienced mappers can
help out.  Downloading large areas by an experienced mapper and 'spot
checking' them it a very good, and efficient, way of doing QA for
those that know how.  We need to be thinking of these other, non task
manager, workflows for more experienced mappers that don't interfere
with the workers on the task managers, but also allow for more
efficient work by those who can handle the tools.

- -AndrewBuck 

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