[HOT] Validation

David Toy d at vidtoy.co.uk
Mon Aug 24 18:00:26 UTC 2015

Hi Jarmo. Welcome!

My introduction/onboarding to HOT was almost identical to Jarmo's - and I
can relate very clearly to all the points he has raised. I suspect that
there are a few more lurkers on this list who will be similar.

Pierre G's document suggests renaming the 'mark as done' button to 'submit
for review'.

A simplification of terms / altered workflow would have helped me
initially. Taking the example of the done button, 'submit for review'
implies that:
- a) it's ok to make a mistake getting started - someone will catch it, and
- b) I should expect feedback

This helps with Jarmo's first and second scenarios, but also softens the
blow when (your first) task is coldly invalidated with only four words of
explanation. (Validators: that's not a criticism - I understand the time

Also, not all users will read the docs - while training resources are
useful, these little nudges of understanding help all users - even the new
ones who enthusiastically started but didn't read the instructions.


On 24 August 2015 at 17:18, Jarmo Kivekäs <jarmo.kivekas at guttula.com> wrote:

> Hi!
> I've been lurking on the mailing list for a while, but I'm still fairly
> new to HOT. I though I'd pitch in.
> I definitely recognized myself from Martin's write up as belonging to
> the set of contributors who commit changes but don't mark tiles as done.
> Below are some reasons why I've not marked tiles as complete in the past.
> 1. I think part of the reason is that I started out mapping on my own (I
> haven't found a local community, nor was I introduced to mapping on a
> mapathon). Therefore I haven't been able to just quickly ask someone
> advice about something I'm unsure about. In these cases I've usually
> left a comment in the tasking manager about whatever I was unsure about,
> mapped the rest, but not marked the tile as done.
> Not marking the tile done is me being conservative, I guess. As a new
> mapper it is currently difficult to get feedback on the quality of your
> mapping, you pretty much needs to actively seek it out. Getting
> notifications when there are new comments on tiles you've worked on
> would be nice.
> 2. When parts of a region are already mapped (probably form before the
> activation was created) but the tiles that are already mapped are not
> marked as done. I'm reluctant to mark a grid as done without making any
> changes to it, even if it seemingly fills all the criterion for the
> task. Especially when the grid has been locked my multiple users in the
> past. "They didn't think it was as done, I'm probably missing
> something." I realize that this thinking only propagates the problem,
> since I'll just be one more user on the list.
> 3. Grids can be pretty large. Sometimes you just don't manage to map it
> completely in a short sitting. I know grids can be split, but...
> 4. Sometimes I'll for example only be mapping roads. Doing this will
> result in many tiles being checked out and changesets are generated, but
> no tiles are actually being finished.
> -- Jarmo
> On 24.08.2015 16:37, Martin Dittus wrote:
> >
> >> On 24 Aug 2015, at 11:22, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd also like to see a third option on the tasking manger "I've done
> some work but not completed the tile could someone review it please."  I'd
> rather catch errors early and some new mappers may not feel confident
> enough to mark a tile complete.
> >
> > Considering better workflows for “incomplete” submissions is well
> worthwhile. This week I found that about half of all HOT contributors never
> mark their first task as “done” although they contributed edits to the map.
> >
> > I’ve written it up here, with stats and a brief discussion:
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dekstop/diary/35649
> >
> > m.
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