[HOT] Questions regarding Missing Maps Mapping Party in the Netherlands

Pierre Béland pierzenh at yahoo.fr
Wed Feb 4 23:07:49 UTC 2015

JOSM is the editor used by the majority of contributors and skilled skilled contributors are more familiar with it. They probably dont know ID very well and this will reduce their capacity to support the new contributors.  The objective is not to produce a maximum of edits but to start on good bases, to make people confident they understand the principles and will be able to contribute later while back at home.
We observe a lot of errors made by the beginners. It would be important also during the day to look back to the edits and suggest corrections, assure that everybody understand the basic principles of the mapping, how to make precise and accurate mapping with the relevant tags.

For the software installation, what could simply be done in preparation of Mapathons is to send short instructions for JOSM installation 
- assure that you have java 7 installed- download JOSM  > The url https://josm.openstreetmap.de/download/josm.jnlp is recommended for all OS.
At the beginning of the session there might be a few contributors that will need support. This should normally be fixed rapidly. Using a projector, it is then possbile to show how to install plugins such as Buildings and UtilsPlugin2 while the skilled contributors support others.

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Why go through the trouble of installing? People are doing remote tasks and have no gpx files, field papers or geotagged photos. Because then I would certainly advise josm.I think time is valuable. If you have 10 computers and spend 5 minutes per install, you lost an hour of a half day event..

On Feb 4, 2015 8:37 PM, "Jan van Bekkum" <jan.vanbekkum at gmail.com> wrote:

Can't you ask participants to install JOSM before they arrive?

On Wed Feb 04 2015 at 8:21:56 PM Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Willy, 
Just some of my thoughts: 
In Antwerp we used JOSM because we had loads of time. It takes maybe a little longer to install JOSM, but teaching and learning how to map is on the same level. You only have more mapping possibilities with JOSM... On the installation, when everybody is arriving at the mapathon and setting up his computer, you can let the participants already install JOSM and make them create a login before the 'real training' starts.
If you are not sure about the stability of the internet connection it might also be better to use JOSM, because for ID you need all the time a stable internet connection. 
Further; are people bringing their own laptops or not? If you are planning to work on fixed computers it might be better to work with ID, because in a lot of universities, companies, etc. there are restrictions in installing JOSM or other software on their computers. So if you plan to work with JOSM on fixed computers it might be good check and to install JOSM already on every computer of the room. If you plan to work with ID, you shouldn't have any problems. 
But one of the main important things is: what is your favourite mapping editor? Because this editor you probably can explain the best. Besides you, as teacher, you also need some 'helpers' who can stand behind the mappers who are trying to follow what you are explaining. In my opinion it's the best to have at least 1 person behind 6 or 7 participants, to guide them in the mapping. So these people also need to master ID or JOSM.
Please inform me about what you decided, so we can share some more advice with you
And for the validation, I absolutely follow Dan. :-) 
Groetjes, Jorieke
2015-02-04 9:30 GMT+01:00 Dan S <danstowell+osm at gmail.com>:


I'd recommend using iD for beginners - and actually, I'd recommend
using iD if this is your first time organising a mapping party,
because if you use JOSM you will be submerged in annoying problems
installing JOSM on people's computers and that's no fun! It can be
done but it helps to have more experience.

For validating, I'd say any mapper who can use JOSM and has been
involved in a couple of HOT tasks in the past. It's definitely a good
idea of yours to validate as soon as possible, and get feedback
straight back to the people you're working with.

Have fun!


2015-02-04 7:59 GMT+00:00 Willy Bakker <friesewoudloper at gmail.com>:
> Hi,
> In the Netherlands we are organizing a Missing Maps Mapping Party the 14th
> of february.
> I'd really like your feedback on two questions we have:
> Firstly, which editor would you recommend for beginners? In Berlin during
> the Open Knowledge Festival I attended a HOT workshop where the iD editor
> was used; at the mapping party in Antwerp in december they used JOSM. Which
> one is the best for beginners?
> Secondly, we think it is important that tasks that are done are validated as
> soon as possible. Because of that we would like to 'appoint' an experienced
> mapper at the mapping party to validate the done tasks. But what are the
> requirements for this person? Can any experienced mapper validate tasks?
> Regards,
> Willy Bakker
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