[HOT] HOT is now on LinkedIn

nicolas chavent nicolas.chavent at gmail.com
Thu Feb 12 11:25:56 UTC 2015

Hi Mark,

Thanks for getting back on this thread but the underlying question which is
at steak is about the relevance *tout court* of a HOT presence in LinkedIn
which seems to be implicit and somehow beyond qestion.

Well there is nothing neutral for the NGO HOT US Inc to be present on
Linkedin, this has been pointed out by Gus in a previous email left
un_answered. Paul in his email was questionning the Company page with
regard to respect of the OSM trademark.

HOT as a project is not a business and HOT as the US NGO incorporated as
HOT US Inc is not a business (for a significant part of its members) and
according to a majority of its members an organization which is not only
working as business.

The Linkedin anchorage by overstressing the company/for business side of
HOT US Inc is not respectful of the hybrid nature of HOT and its use of
business scheme as one of the means towards the achievement of its mandate
: apply the principles and practices of OSM and open source and open data
in the field of Humanitarian action and economic development.

Such decision which has an impact on the image/nature of HOT has to be
discussed into a wider audience than the only Communication Working Group.

Reading through your points in favour of Linkedin, I still fail to see the
gain in audience since after more than 5 years, both the HOT Project and
HOT US Inc (the US NGO) are well established entities not only within the
OpenSource and OpenData communities but truly within the Hum/Dev actors.
The website, the lists and the social media have a real audience. And
specific emails (info at hotosm or individual emails) provide avenues for
groups who won't engage through public lists. All those tools have proven
to establish connection and build relations with an important ecosystem.

If I fail to see the benefits for HOT on being in Linkedin, I can see
clearly drawbacks in terms of promoting HOT members and contributors of the
HOT communities in the work of the Organization. What comes first, the
engagement in the HOT work (member/community) proven into continued
volunteerism or a solid track records of professionals who did not pay
attention to the HOT project and its supporting organizations after 5 years
of action (outreach included).
To a certain extent, the same applies to donors and partners where time,
understanding are key to build trust in relations.

Thanks in advance for your elements about the points above.
Thanks also for your work in the communication group.


On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:09 AM, Mark Cupitt <markcupitt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sev, have tried to address some of your concerns in line .. below
> Cheers
> Mark Cupitt
> "If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence"
> See me on Open StreetMap <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt>
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Severin Menard <severin.menard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> Sorry for getting back late on this thread.
>> Linkedin may be a large social media for professionals, what it has
>> achieved by building its audience by emailing systematically personal
>> contact lists, what makes it one of the most spamming site in the OSM
>> talking lists, from my experience of moderator of a few lists. Therefore
>> Linkedin is not very OSM friendly and reading the email title,  I thought
>> it was again one of these Linkedin spams slipping through the net from time
>> to time. Linkedin finally got its point, ha!
> I generally turn this off on my LI account. It does have quite good
> Opt-Out capabilities on your profile for emails. Open Groups are often a
> source of this type of Spam .. I do not think LI emails would make it
> through to the HOT lists, and there is no intention of having any LI auto
> generated em,ails showing up on this List. I am a moderator, so will make
> sore of that :)
>> I have a few (other) concerns:
>> 1. The description of what is HOT in this page is not very clear about
>> what HOT is. As a Board member, I must admit we did not work yet on
>> defining what the HOT project is, what we have planned to after the HOT in
>> Person meeting but did not take the time yet to work on it. In IMHO it does
>> not emphasize enough that HOT the nGO has been created to coordinate and
>> support the free contribution of hundreds (almost thousands) of volunteers,
>> that are the core of the HOT project.
> Waiting for the communication Group to define. Open to suggestions and can
> change at any time. I would suggest that this should mirror what is on the
> web site
>> 2. What is exactly the aim of "to reach out and engage with Humanitarian
>> and Mapping Professionals" with this group. Finding new people volunteering
>> among the professionals or publishing positions every time new ones are
>> available? IMHO again, would be good tfor the two cases to drive the people
>> interested either to the OSM lists or HOT website. But for the second case,
>> it would be better to have people volunteering first before applying to
>> positions
>> It is intended to be a way to reach an audience we may not already have
> contact with. The clear aim is NOT to replicate the HOT List or anything
> else, but provide a way for people who may not be part of the Open Source
> Community to become aware of what we do, especially in a Humanitarian
> context and then join our community. It also may provide possible avenues
> for Sponsorship with organizations who have never heard of HOT, etc
>> 3. Why the Discussion group, where it seems discussions are planned to be
>> done, rather than simply linking to existing channels? And this is a closed
>> group (maybe by definition in Linkedin) so it will not help people
>> volunteering to have a clear picture of what happens if there is this group
>> with discussion behind the scenes
> Open Groups are very prone to the Spam you mention above. The closed group
> is intended to avoid that. It is purely intended to be an Announce Only
> group and any questions/discussions will be generally redirected to the HOT
> List. Also, in some organizations, mail lists like the HOT list IRC
> Channels are not permitted, by corporate policy, so we still have an
> opportunity to keep in contact with people via this Group It is just
> another avenue that may or may not be worthwhile. Also, some people are a
> little shy about asking initial questions on lists that go to a lot of
> people, so sometimes a small venue to encourage them can be useful.
>> A few minor remarks or questions: I think HOT the NGO has been officially
>> created in 2010 and not 2012, and do not understand well the figure of
>> 51-200 employees. Is it the total number of people that have been
>> contracted since the creation of the organization?
>> I just guessed the Number, am totally open to suggestions. I would guess
> it could be either Voting Members or All Volunteers. If you have a figure,
> let me know will adjust it.
>> Sincerely,
>> Severin
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Mark Cupitt <markcupitt at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Dear All
>>> The Communications Working Group is pleased to announce that HOT now has
>>> a presence on LinkedIn. The objective of this move is to further promote
>>> HOT's work to the professional and business community world wide and
>>> directly engage with people who may be interested in our activities.
>>> We have two pages, a Company Page and a Discussion Group
>>> The Company Page is designed to showcase HOT, what it is and highlight
>>> key activities that HOT undertakes.
>>> The company page is at
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/humanitarian-openstreetmap-team
>>> If you are a LinkedIn Member, please show your support by following the
>>> company page and sharing the page to your contacts
>>> Hot also has a Discussion Group
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=6937224&trk=groups_management_edit_group_info-h-dsc
>>> This Group is not intended to replace the main Hot List, rather it is
>>> intended as a mechanism to reach out and engage with Humanitarian and
>>> Mapping Professionals all over the world as well as promoting HOT
>>> Activities and events
>>> Again, please join the group and share it with all your contacts.
>>> We are excited about this New LinkedIn Presence!
>>> LinkedIn has a reach that extends to millions of professionals world
>>> wide and we look forward to engaging with people from all over the world
>>> and showcasing our work.
>>> Regards
>>> Mark Cupitt
>>> "If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence"
>>> See me on Open StreetMap
>>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt>
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