[HOT] HOT is now on LinkedIn
Dave Corley
davecorley at gmail.com
Fri Feb 13 01:24:59 UTC 2015
Those of you with concerns have you by chance done any research into
NGO/Charity presence on LinkedIn.
Considering just about every Red Cross in the world, UNICEF and other UN
groups, Habitat for Humanity, USAID, Oxfam, Amnesty international, various
health research organisations (cancer, heart) etc etc etc (seriously,
there are shedloads) all maintain a presence, indicates that this is a
non-issue with the exception of personal misgivings of a select few.
Dave
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1. Ebola Activation : Task for Kindia Prefecture, Guinea
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2. Re: Need Suggestions: Union Mapping (Ahasanul Hoque)
3. Re: Need Suggestions: Union Mapping (Pierre Béland)
4. Re: Need Suggestions: Union Mapping (Mikel Maron)
5. Get Involved - OSM Training Assistant in Tanzania (Jeff Haack)
6. Ebola Outbreak Mapathon, Burlington, VT (noah ahles)
7. Northeast Nigeria Crisis activation (nicolas chavent)
8. New GitHub repository for HOT Project Ideas (Mhairi O'Hara)
9. Re: HOT is now on LinkedIn (nicolas chavent)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Pierre Béland" <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
To: HOT Openstreetmap <hot at openstreetmap.org>
Cc:
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:28:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [HOT] Ebola Activation : Task for Kindia Prefecture, Guinea
I setup a new task for MSF yesterday night. And what a surprise for me this
morning. Without any previous announce of the task, there are 16
contributors presently working on it. Thanks to the group that participate
to this action.
See http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/892
Pierre
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ahasanul Hoque <hoque.ahasan at gmail.com>
To: Pete Masters <pedrito1414 at googlemail.com>
Cc: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 20:01:08 +0600
Subject: Re: [HOT] Need Suggestions: Union Mapping
Many thanks Pierre and Pete for your helpful suggestions. Much appreciated.
We already started to draw the features using JOSM as much as possible. I
would follow that methods used in Kamrangir char in last Missing Maps
Project. Trying to collect some more GPS/androids. Lets see.
*Would I get support from HOT (as in Kamrangir Char of Missing maps
Project) to upload all the road and major features what will be collected
initially by 1/2 GPS holder to track all possible roads and features ?*
Kind regards
Ahasan
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Pete Masters <pedrito1414 at googlemail.com>
wrote:
> Ahasan, great news, man... Do the volunteers not have their own android
> phones. In the final days mapping hazaribagh and Kamrangirchar, they were
> using osmand on their own devices. Also, I think there might some gps units
> around that Jorieke left the previous time she was there.
>
> In addition to the tracing, the technique that worked well in
> Kamrangirchar was to send one mapper out for the day on a rickshaw, making
> sure they go down every road to the end. We gave them a gps unit and a a
> phone and used the combination of tracks to edit the road network (which
> HOT helped add) ahead of field mapping with surveys. This worked well there
> because tracing was hard due to the density of buildings.
>
> Good luck and look forward to hearing how it went....!
>
> Pete
> On 9 Feb 2015 21:09, "Pierre Béland" <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ahasan,
>>
>> We will be pleased to support you for this action.
>>
>> I would suggest that you first organize a remote mapping session with
>> your local experienced mappers, trace the map in detail (roads + buildings)
>> and add as much infos as you can. This will greatly facilitate the field
>> work later. There is good Bing and Mapbox imagery available. This should
>> facilitate tracing buildings an roads.
>>
>> Infos such as street, locality, neighbourhood names and important
>> infrastructures such as hospitals, etc. will help later people to locate
>> them when doing the field work.
>>
>> We often prefer to use the JOSM editor since it is possible to work even
>> in the context of bad internet connection. There is also a building plugin
>> that facilitate tracing the buildings.
>>
>> In the preparation of the Field work, it would help that you test your
>> field work methodology, including adding the information to OSM later.
>> While some people are mapping some areas, you could alternate and do some
>> field work collection to test your methodology both using phones and paper.
>> Since you only have 3 phones and 1 gps, it will be important to also use
>> FieldPapers. Phones and gps could be used to trace streets and compare
>> with the map made from aerial imagery. There are also questionnaires
>> available that help document the infrastructures.
>> 1. Phone Android applications such as OsmAnd with an offline map do not
>> require access to internet
>> (If it was possible to have more phones it would help I think)
>> 2. FieldPaper printouts where people can take notes.
>>
>>
>> regard
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *De :* Ahasanul Hoque <hoque.ahasan at gmail.com>
>> *À :* Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>; Pete Masters <
>> pedrito1414 at googlemail.com>; "hot at openstreetmap.org" <
>> hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 9 février 2015 13h51
>> *Objet :* [HOT] Need Suggestions: Union Mapping
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Jorieke/ Pete and all,
>> Hope you are fine. I would like to inform you that we (WSP-World Bank)
>> collaboration with CARE Bangladesh has intended to map (house hold level)
>> an union of Nilphamari District named Botlagari starting from end of this
>> month. Though in the OSM data this remote area almost blank. Do you have
>> any suggestion what might help me to finish this union in a easiest way ?.
>> FYI, this union have almos 9000 households. We will have 16 trained local
>> mappers and we have 3 androids and 1 GPS. Looking for your urgent
>> suggestions:
>>
>> Please see the union in below umap link:
>>
>> https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/botlagari-union-of-sayedpur-upazila-of-nilphamari-_28405#13/25.8052/88.8945
>>
>> Thanks and Regards
>>
>> Ahasan
>>
>> .....................................................................................
>> Ahasanul Hoque
>>
>> *GIS & Environmental Data Mgt SpecialistWSP, **The World Bank.*
>> *Contact: *hoque.ahasan at gmail.com; ahasan_17 at yahoo.com
>> <ahasan_17 at gmail.com> | Web: *ahasanulhoque.com*
>> <http://ahasanulhoque.com/>
>> *Skype: *ahasan4u | *Linkedin: **http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp
>> <http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp> *
>>
>>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Pierre Béland" <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
To: Ahasanul Hoque <hoque.ahasan at gmail.com>
Cc: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:56:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [HOT] Need Suggestions: Union Mapping
Hi Ahasan,
As far as you lead the operation and communicate regularly about this
action, you should have support from the HOT contributors following this
email list and reading the various hot.openstreetmap.org Blog updates. We
can help you to create Task Manager jobs for remote mapping and invite
contributors to participate.
Note that their are key factors for a constant participation of remote
contributors to these actions. This is a technical and humanitarian
community and we connect through internet and need to know each other, make
interesting the volunteer participation. Communication about the objectives
and the work done in the field is essential to motivate participants. This
is also more fun and motivating for both the remote mappers and field
contributors to build together such actions, discuss about methodology and
progress, to feel that we are a global community and experimenting
interesting new approaches. A broad community follows these discussions
and are interested to learn how we build these actions and experiment
themselves.
Good communications can be done both from this list and with some Blog
updates with pictures. See for example an update about Lubumbashi
http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2014-04-01_a_week_in_lubumbashi_drc
Pierre
------------------------------
*De :* Ahasanul Hoque <hoque.ahasan at gmail.com>
*À :* Pete Masters <pedrito1414 at googlemail.com>
*Cc :* Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>; "hot at openstreetmap.org" <
hot at openstreetmap.org>; Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>
*Envoyé le :* Mercredi 11 février 2015 9h01
*Objet :* Re: [HOT] Need Suggestions: Union Mapping
Many thanks Pierre and Pete for your helpful suggestions. Much appreciated.
We already started to draw the features using JOSM as much as possible. I
would follow that methods used in Kamrangir char in last Missing Maps
Project. Trying to collect some more GPS/androids. Lets see.
*Would I get support from HOT (as in Kamrangir Char of Missing maps
Project) to upload all the road and major features what will be collected
initially by 1/2 GPS holder to track all possible roads and features ?*
Kind regards
Ahasan
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Pete Masters <pedrito1414 at googlemail.com>
wrote:
Ahasan, great news, man... Do the volunteers not have their own android
phones. In the final days mapping hazaribagh and Kamrangirchar, they were
using osmand on their own devices. Also, I think there might some gps units
around that Jorieke left the previous time she was there.
In addition to the tracing, the technique that worked well in Kamrangirchar
was to send one mapper out for the day on a rickshaw, making sure they go
down every road to the end. We gave them a gps unit and a a phone and used
the combination of tracks to edit the road network (which HOT helped add)
ahead of field mapping with surveys. This worked well there because tracing
was hard due to the density of buildings.
Good luck and look forward to hearing how it went....!
Pete
On 9 Feb 2015 21:09, "Pierre Béland" <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
Hi Ahasan,
We will be pleased to support you for this action.
I would suggest that you first organize a remote mapping session with your
local experienced mappers, trace the map in detail (roads + buildings) and
add as much infos as you can. This will greatly facilitate the field work
later. There is good Bing and Mapbox imagery available. This should
facilitate tracing buildings an roads.
Infos such as street, locality, neighbourhood names and important
infrastructures such as hospitals, etc. will help later people to locate
them when doing the field work.
We often prefer to use the JOSM editor since it is possible to work even in
the context of bad internet connection. There is also a building plugin
that facilitate tracing the buildings.
In the preparation of the Field work, it would help that you test your
field work methodology, including adding the information to OSM later.
While some people are mapping some areas, you could alternate and do some
field work collection to test your methodology both using phones and paper.
Since you only have 3 phones and 1 gps, it will be important to also use
FieldPapers. Phones and gps could be used to trace streets and compare
with the map made from aerial imagery. There are also questionnaires
available that help document the infrastructures.
1. Phone Android applications such as OsmAnd with an offline map do not
require access to internet
(If it was possible to have more phones it would help I think)
2. FieldPaper printouts where people can take notes.
regard
Pierre
------------------------------
*De :* Ahasanul Hoque <hoque.ahasan at gmail.com>
*À :* Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>; Pete Masters <
pedrito1414 at googlemail.com>; "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
*Envoyé le :* Lundi 9 février 2015 13h51
*Objet :* [HOT] Need Suggestions: Union Mapping
Dear Jorieke/ Pete and all,
Hope you are fine. I would like to inform you that we (WSP-World Bank)
collaboration with CARE Bangladesh has intended to map (house hold level)
an union of Nilphamari District named Botlagari starting from end of this
month. Though in the OSM data this remote area almost blank. Do you have
any suggestion what might help me to finish this union in a easiest way ?.
FYI, this union have almos 9000 households. We will have 16 trained local
mappers and we have 3 androids and 1 GPS. Looking for your urgent
suggestions:
Please see the union in below umap link:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/botlagari-union-of-sayedpur-upazila-of-nilphamari-_28405#13/25.8052/88.8945
Thanks and Regards
Ahasan
.....................................................................................
Ahasanul Hoque
*GIS & Environmental Data Mgt SpecialistWSP, **The World Bank.*
*Contact: *hoque.ahasan at gmail.com; ahasan_17 at yahoo.com <ahasan_17 at gmail.com>
| Web: *ahasanulhoque.com* <http://ahasanulhoque.com/>
*Skype: *ahasan4u | *Linkedin: **http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp
<http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp> *
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com>
To: "Pierre Béland" <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>, Ahasanul Hoque <
hoque.ahasan at gmail.com>
Cc: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:14:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [HOT] Need Suggestions: Union Mapping
Ahasan
I've added this project area to the HOT Bangladesh overview map at
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/bangladesh-mapping-projects_26815#8/24.355/89.193
-Mikel
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
On Wednesday, February 11, 2015 6:58 AM, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
wrote:
Hi Ahasan,
As far as you lead the operation and communicate regularly about this
action, you should have support from the HOT contributors following this
email list and reading the various hot.openstreetmap.org Blog updates. We
can help you to create Task Manager jobs for remote mapping and invite
contributors to participate.
Note that their are key factors for a constant participation of remote
contributors to these actions. This is a technical and humanitarian
community and we connect through internet and need to know each other, make
interesting the volunteer participation. Communication about the objectives
and the work done in the field is essential to motivate participants. This
is also more fun and motivating for both the remote mappers and field
contributors to build together such actions, discuss about methodology and
progress, to feel that we are a global community and experimenting
interesting new approaches. A broad community follows these discussions
and are interested to learn how we build these actions and experiment
themselves.
Good communications can be done both from this list and with some Blog
updates with pictures. See for example an update about Lubumbashi
http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2014-04-01_a_week_in_lubumbashi_drc
Pierre
------------------------------
*De :* Ahasanul Hoque <hoque.ahasan at gmail.com>
*À :* Pete Masters <pedrito1414 at googlemail.com>
*Cc :* Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>; "hot at openstreetmap.org" <
hot at openstreetmap.org>; Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>
*Envoyé le :* Mercredi 11 février 2015 9h01
*Objet :* Re: [HOT] Need Suggestions: Union Mapping
Many thanks Pierre and Pete for your helpful suggestions. Much appreciated.
We already started to draw the features using JOSM as much as possible. I
would follow that methods used in Kamrangir char in last Missing Maps
Project. Trying to collect some more GPS/androids. Lets see.
*Would I get support from HOT (as in Kamrangir Char of Missing maps
Project) to upload all the road and major features what will be collected
initially by 1/2 GPS holder to track all possible roads and features ?*
Kind regards
Ahasan
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Pete Masters <pedrito1414 at googlemail.com>
wrote:
Ahasan, great news, man... Do the volunteers not have their own android
phones. In the final days mapping hazaribagh and Kamrangirchar, they were
using osmand on their own devices. Also, I think there might some gps units
around that Jorieke left the previous time she was there.
In addition to the tracing, the technique that worked well in Kamrangirchar
was to send one mapper out for the day on a rickshaw, making sure they go
down every road to the end. We gave them a gps unit and a a phone and used
the combination of tracks to edit the road network (which HOT helped add)
ahead of field mapping with surveys. This worked well there because tracing
was hard due to the density of buildings.
Good luck and look forward to hearing how it went....!
Pete
On 9 Feb 2015 21:09, "Pierre Béland" <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
Hi Ahasan,
We will be pleased to support you for this action.
I would suggest that you first organize a remote mapping session with your
local experienced mappers, trace the map in detail (roads + buildings) and
add as much infos as you can. This will greatly facilitate the field work
later. There is good Bing and Mapbox imagery available. This should
facilitate tracing buildings an roads.
Infos such as street, locality, neighbourhood names and important
infrastructures such as hospitals, etc. will help later people to locate
them when doing the field work.
We often prefer to use the JOSM editor since it is possible to work even in
the context of bad internet connection. There is also a building plugin
that facilitate tracing the buildings.
In the preparation of the Field work, it would help that you test your
field work methodology, including adding the information to OSM later.
While some people are mapping some areas, you could alternate and do some
field work collection to test your methodology both using phones and paper.
Since you only have 3 phones and 1 gps, it will be important to also use
FieldPapers. Phones and gps could be used to trace streets and compare
with the map made from aerial imagery. There are also questionnaires
available that help document the infrastructures.
1. Phone Android applications such as OsmAnd with an offline map do not
require access to internet
(If it was possible to have more phones it would help I think)
2. FieldPaper printouts where people can take notes.
regard
Pierre
------------------------------
*De :* Ahasanul Hoque <hoque.ahasan at gmail.com>
*À :* Jorieke Vyncke <jorieke.vyncke at gmail.com>; Pete Masters <
pedrito1414 at googlemail.com>; "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
*Envoyé le :* Lundi 9 février 2015 13h51
*Objet :* [HOT] Need Suggestions: Union Mapping
Dear Jorieke/ Pete and all,
Hope you are fine. I would like to inform you that we (WSP-World Bank)
collaboration with CARE Bangladesh has intended to map (house hold level)
an union of Nilphamari District named Botlagari starting from end of this
month. Though in the OSM data this remote area almost blank. Do you have
any suggestion what might help me to finish this union in a easiest way ?.
FYI, this union have almos 9000 households. We will have 16 trained local
mappers and we have 3 androids and 1 GPS. Looking for your urgent
suggestions:
Please see the union in below umap link:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/botlagari-union-of-sayedpur-upazila-of-nilphamari-_28405#13/25.8052/88.8945
Thanks and Regards
Ahasan
.....................................................................................
Ahasanul Hoque
*GIS & Environmental Data Mgt SpecialistWSP, **The World Bank.*
*Contact: *hoque.ahasan at gmail.com; ahasan_17 at yahoo.com <ahasan_17 at gmail.com>
| Web: *ahasanulhoque.com* <http://ahasanulhoque.com/>
*Skype: *ahasan4u | *Linkedin: **http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp
<http://tinyurl.com/njg3xsp> *
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jeff Haack <jeff.haack at gmail.com>
To: hot <hot at openstreetmap.org>
Cc:
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:32:13 -0600
Subject: [HOT] Get Involved - OSM Training Assistant in Tanzania
Hi All,
HOT is beginning a project with the World Bank in Tanzania and there is a
junior position available. The position is for three weeks in March-April
2015. Please submit your application by February 23rd. Full details are
here:
http://hot.openstreetmap.org/get_involved/openstreetmap_training_assistant_in_tanzania
Cheers,
Jeff
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: noah ahles <noah.ahles at gmail.com>
To: hot <hot at openstreetmap.org>
Cc:
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:06:43 -0500
Subject: [HOT] Ebola Outbreak Mapathon, Burlington, VT
Hi All,
The University of Vermont Spatial Analysis Lab is hosting another
OpenStreetMap, mapathon event this Sunday, February 15th from 10AM-4PM in
Burlington, VT. Here is the event page:
http://ebolaoutbreakmapping.splashthat.com/
Best,
Noah
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
To: hot <hot at openstreetmap.org>
Cc:
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 22:16:56 +0100
Subject: [HOT] Northeast Nigeria Crisis activation
Hi all,
As discussed in the last Activation Working Group meeting, a short note
about this first job (#884) [1] of the Northeast Nigeria Crisis activation
that will be coordinated by Rafael and I.
The Northeast Nigeria has been affected for years now by a complex
humanitarian crisis fueled by the insurgency of the Boko Haram group which
has gradually gained in intensity and impact affecting over the past months
its neighbouring countries and turning into a regional crisis (check 6-Feb
OCHA Report over the security situation in the State of Borno [2]).
Baseline data (places, residential areas and building as well as road
networks) over this large affected region are needed for the various actors
engaged in the response of this complex regional emergency. Several OSM
initiatives have been lead in some areas (Nigeria e-Health data import,
mapping by local OSM groups from Niger and Cameroun, as well as the efforts
of individual efforts) and individual efforts are still continuing.
Discussions with humanitarian actors highlighted the relevance of OSM data
in this crisis and a continued effort but stressed at the same time the
need to operate in a discrete mode given the political conflict dimension
of this crisis.
Best,
Nico
[1] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/884
[2]
http://reliefweb.int/report/nigeria/borno-state-situation-report-no-2-6-february-2015
--
Nicolas Chavent
Projet OpenStreetMap (OSM)
Projet Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)
Projet Espace OSM Francophone (EOF)
Mobile (FRA): +33 (0)6 52 40 78 20
<nicolas.chavent at hotosm.org>
Email: nicolas.chavent at gmail.com
Skype: c_nicolas
Twitter: nicolas_chavent
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Mhairi O'Hara" <mhairi.ohara at hotosm.org>
To: HOT <hot at openstreetmap.org>
Cc:
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:17:10 +0800
Subject: [HOT] New GitHub repository for HOT Project Ideas
Hello hotties,
With the onset of the Google Summer of Code and the Outreachy program, we
are reaching out to the community to propose project ideas. Most of you
probably know about the programs, but for those of you that don't, here is
a little information:
*'Google Summer of Code (GSoC) is a global program that offers students
stipends to write code for open source projects. Who have worked with the
open source community to identify and fund exciting projects for the
upcoming summer.' *[1]
'Outreachy is a program that aims to help people from groups
underrepresented in free and open source software get involved. Providing a
supportive community for beginning to contribute any time throughout the
year and offer focused internship opportunities twice a year with a number
of free software organizations. *The upcoming round of internships is open
to women (cis and trans), trans men and genderqueer people, and all
participants of the Ascend Project regardless of gender '. *[2]
HOT would like to participate as a free and open source software
organisation that will offer internships to both the GSoC [3] and Outreachy
[4] program. And in light of all the project ideas being proposed, HOT has
decided to create a HOT-Project-Ideas GitHub repository [5] where this can
be done, while ensuring that the workflow is organised, structured and
efficient.
A GitHub wiki page for GSoC [6] and Outreachy [7] have been created,
containing information on how to propose ideas, while the ideas themselves
are listed and can be discussed as issues [8]. So please keep contributing
to project ideas at the new GitHub repository.
Kind regards,
Mhairi
[1] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2015
[2] https://www.gnome.org/outreachy/
[3]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WCPF_cSfIwIPB_KbFKaduyk6iQFrRpFAP4GnqXhtyQ0/edit#
[4]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GUiycqF14MQ8I5isdNqFmvDt5xgNqOfQacauHHFqv-A/edit?usp=sharing
[5] https://github.com/hotosm/HOT-Project-Ideas
[6] https://github.com/hotosm/HOT-Project-Ideas/wiki/GSoC-2015
[7] https://github.com/hotosm/HOT-Project-Ideas/wiki/Outreachy-2015
[8] https://github.com/hotosm/HOT-Project-Ideas/issues
--
Mhairi O'Hara
Technical Project Manager
Email: mhairi.ohara at hotosm.org
Indonesian Mobile: +62 822 4701 1475
*Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team *
*Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response & Economic Development*
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
To: Mark Cupitt <markcupitt at gmail.com>
Cc: "HOT at OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:25:56 +0100
Subject: Re: [HOT] HOT is now on LinkedIn
Hi Mark,
Thanks for getting back on this thread but the underlying question which is
at steak is about the relevance *tout court* of a HOT presence in LinkedIn
which seems to be implicit and somehow beyond qestion.
Well there is nothing neutral for the NGO HOT US Inc to be present on
Linkedin, this has been pointed out by Gus in a previous email left
un_answered. Paul in his email was questionning the Company page with
regard to respect of the OSM trademark.
HOT as a project is not a business and HOT as the US NGO incorporated as
HOT US Inc is not a business (for a significant part of its members) and
according to a majority of its members an organization which is not only
working as business.
The Linkedin anchorage by overstressing the company/for business side of
HOT US Inc is not respectful of the hybrid nature of HOT and its use of
business scheme as one of the means towards the achievement of its mandate
: apply the principles and practices of OSM and open source and open data
in the field of Humanitarian action and economic development.
Such decision which has an impact on the image/nature of HOT has to be
discussed into a wider audience than the only Communication Working Group.
Reading through your points in favour of Linkedin, I still fail to see the
gain in audience since after more than 5 years, both the HOT Project and
HOT US Inc (the US NGO) are well established entities not only within the
OpenSource and OpenData communities but truly within the Hum/Dev actors.
The website, the lists and the social media have a real audience. And
specific emails (info at hotosm or individual emails) provide avenues for
groups who won't engage through public lists. All those tools have proven
to establish connection and build relations with an important ecosystem.
If I fail to see the benefits for HOT on being in Linkedin, I can see
clearly drawbacks in terms of promoting HOT members and contributors of the
HOT communities in the work of the Organization. What comes first, the
engagement in the HOT work (member/community) proven into continued
volunteerism or a solid track records of professionals who did not pay
attention to the HOT project and its supporting organizations after 5 years
of action (outreach included).
To a certain extent, the same applies to donors and partners where time,
understanding are key to build trust in relations.
Thanks in advance for your elements about the points above.
Thanks also for your work in the communication group.
++
Nico
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:09 AM, Mark Cupitt <markcupitt at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sev, have tried to address some of your concerns in line .. below
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark Cupitt
>
> "If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence"
>
> See me on Open StreetMap <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Severin Menard <severin.menard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Sorry for getting back late on this thread.
>>
>> Linkedin may be a large social media for professionals, what it has
>> achieved by building its audience by emailing systematically personal
>> contact lists, what makes it one of the most spamming site in the OSM
>> talking lists, from my experience of moderator of a few lists. Therefore
>> Linkedin is not very OSM friendly and reading the email title, I thought
>> it was again one of these Linkedin spams slipping through the net from time
>> to time. Linkedin finally got its point, ha!
>>
>
> I generally turn this off on my LI account. It does have quite good
> Opt-Out capabilities on your profile for emails. Open Groups are often a
> source of this type of Spam .. I do not think LI emails would make it
> through to the HOT lists, and there is no intention of having any LI auto
> generated em,ails showing up on this List. I am a moderator, so will make
> sore of that :)
>
>>
>> I have a few (other) concerns:
>>
>> 1. The description of what is HOT in this page is not very clear about
>> what HOT is. As a Board member, I must admit we did not work yet on
>> defining what the HOT project is, what we have planned to after the HOT in
>> Person meeting but did not take the time yet to work on it. In IMHO it does
>> not emphasize enough that HOT the nGO has been created to coordinate and
>> support the free contribution of hundreds (almost thousands) of volunteers,
>> that are the core of the HOT project.
>>
>
> Waiting for the communication Group to define. Open to suggestions and can
> change at any time. I would suggest that this should mirror what is on the
> web site
>
>>
>> 2. What is exactly the aim of "to reach out and engage with Humanitarian
>> and Mapping Professionals" with this group. Finding new people volunteering
>> among the professionals or publishing positions every time new ones are
>> available? IMHO again, would be good tfor the two cases to drive the people
>> interested either to the OSM lists or HOT website. But for the second case,
>> it would be better to have people volunteering first before applying to
>> positions
>>
>> It is intended to be a way to reach an audience we may not already have
> contact with. The clear aim is NOT to replicate the HOT List or anything
> else, but provide a way for people who may not be part of the Open Source
> Community to become aware of what we do, especially in a Humanitarian
> context and then join our community. It also may provide possible avenues
> for Sponsorship with organizations who have never heard of HOT, etc
>
>
>> 3. Why the Discussion group, where it seems discussions are planned to be
>> done, rather than simply linking to existing channels? And this is a closed
>> group (maybe by definition in Linkedin) so it will not help people
>> volunteering to have a clear picture of what happens if there is this group
>> with discussion behind the scenes
>>
>
> Open Groups are very prone to the Spam you mention above. The closed group
> is intended to avoid that. It is purely intended to be an Announce Only
> group and any questions/discussions will be generally redirected to the HOT
> List. Also, in some organizations, mail lists like the HOT list IRC
> Channels are not permitted, by corporate policy, so we still have an
> opportunity to keep in contact with people via this Group It is just
> another avenue that may or may not be worthwhile. Also, some people are a
> little shy about asking initial questions on lists that go to a lot of
> people, so sometimes a small venue to encourage them can be useful.
>
>>
>> A few minor remarks or questions: I think HOT the NGO has been officially
>> created in 2010 and not 2012, and do not understand well the figure of
>> 51-200 employees. Is it the total number of people that have been
>> contracted since the creation of the organization?
>>
>> I just guessed the Number, am totally open to suggestions. I would guess
> it could be either Voting Members or All Volunteers. If you have a figure,
> let me know will adjust it.
>
>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Severin
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Mark Cupitt <markcupitt at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All
>>>
>>> The Communications Working Group is pleased to announce that HOT now has
>>> a presence on LinkedIn. The objective of this move is to further promote
>>> HOT's work to the professional and business community world wide and
>>> directly engage with people who may be interested in our activities.
>>>
>>> We have two pages, a Company Page and a Discussion Group
>>>
>>> The Company Page is designed to showcase HOT, what it is and highlight
>>> key activities that HOT undertakes.
>>>
>>> The company page is at
>>>
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/humanitarian-openstreetmap-team
>>>
>>> If you are a LinkedIn Member, please show your support by following the
>>> company page and sharing the page to your contacts
>>>
>>> Hot also has a Discussion Group
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=6937224&trk=groups_management_edit_group_info-h-dsc
>>>
>>> This Group is not intended to replace the main Hot List, rather it is
>>> intended as a mechanism to reach out and engage with Humanitarian and
>>> Mapping Professionals all over the world as well as promoting HOT
>>> Activities and events
>>>
>>> Again, please join the group and share it with all your contacts.
>>>
>>> We are excited about this New LinkedIn Presence!
>>>
>>> LinkedIn has a reach that extends to millions of professionals world
>>> wide and we look forward to engaging with people from all over the world
>>> and showcasing our work.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Mark Cupitt
>>>
>>> "If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence"
>>>
>>> See me on Open StreetMap
>>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
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