[HOT] HOT is now on LinkedIn

Blake Girardot bgirardot at gmail.com
Fri Feb 13 05:55:24 UTC 2015

Hi Nicolas,

Taking your comments, Severin's comments and Augustin's comments into 
consideration and after getting feedback from the HOT Communications WG 
I revised the description of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team 
organization on LinkedIn.

I tried very hard to make sure it described what the HOT organization 
does, the role is plays in the larger OSM/HOT community and what its 
goals and principles are.

We also updated some of the other items pointed out like founding date.

I know these changes can't address every concern, but I hope they are an 

Best wishes,

On 2/12/2015 12:25 PM, nicolas chavent wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> Thanks for getting back on this thread but the underlying question which
> is at steak is about the relevance /tout court/ of a HOT presence in
> LinkedIn which seems to be implicit and somehow beyond qestion.
> Well there is nothing neutral for the NGO HOT US Inc to be present on
> Linkedin, this has been pointed out by Gus in a previous email left
> un_answered. Paul in his email was questionning the Company page with
> regard to respect of the OSM trademark.
> HOT as a project is not a business and HOT as the US NGO incorporated as
> HOT US Inc is not a business (for a significant part of its members) and
> according to a majority of its members an organization which is not only
> working as business.
> The Linkedin anchorage by overstressing the company/for business side of
> HOT US Inc is not respectful of the hybrid nature of HOT and its use of
> business scheme as one of the means towards the achievement of its
> mandate : apply the principles and practices of OSM and open source and
> open data in the field of Humanitarian action and economic development.
> Such decision which has an impact on the image/nature of HOT has to be
> discussed into a wider audience than the only Communication Working Group.
> Reading through your points in favour of Linkedin, I still fail to see
> the gain in audience since after more than 5 years, both the HOT Project
> and HOT US Inc (the US NGO) are well established entities not only
> within the OpenSource and OpenData communities but truly within the
> Hum/Dev actors. The website, the lists and the social media have a real
> audience. And specific emails (info at hotosm or individual emails) provide
> avenues for groups who won't engage through public lists. All those
> tools have proven to establish connection and build relations with an
> important ecosystem.
> If I fail to see the benefits for HOT on being in Linkedin, I can see
> clearly drawbacks in terms of promoting HOT members and contributors of
> the HOT communities in the work of the Organization. What comes first,
> the engagement in the HOT work (member/community) proven into continued
> volunteerism or a solid track records of professionals who did not pay
> attention to the HOT project and its supporting organizations after 5
> years of action (outreach included).
> To a certain extent, the same applies to donors and partners where time,
> understanding are key to build trust in relations.
> Thanks in advance for your elements about the points above.
> Thanks also for your work in the communication group.
> ++
> Nico
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:09 AM, Mark Cupitt <markcupitt at gmail.com
> <mailto:markcupitt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     Hi Sev, have tried to address some of your concerns in line .. below
>     Cheers
>     Mark Cupitt
>     "If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence"
>     See me on Open StreetMap
>     <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt>
>     On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Severin Menard
>     <severin.menard at gmail.com <mailto:severin.menard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         Dear all,
>         Sorry for getting back late on this thread.
>         Linkedin may be a large social media for professionals, what it
>         has achieved by building its audience by emailing systematically
>         personal contact lists, what makes it one of the most spamming
>         site in the OSM talking lists, from my experience of moderator
>         of a few lists. Therefore Linkedin is not very OSM friendly and
>         reading the email title,  I thought it was again one of these
>         Linkedin spams slipping through the net from time to time.
>         Linkedin finally got its point, ha!
>     I generally turn this off on my LI account. It does have quite good
>     Opt-Out capabilities on your profile for emails. Open Groups are
>     often a source of this type of Spam .. I do not think LI emails
>     would make it through to the HOT lists, and there is no intention of
>     having any LI auto generated em,ails showing up on this List. I am a
>     moderator, so will make sore of that :)
>         I have a few (other) concerns:
>         1. The description of what is HOT in this page is not very clear
>         about what HOT is. As a Board member, I must admit we did not
>         work yet on defining what the HOT project is, what we have
>         planned to after the HOT in Person meeting but did not take the
>         time yet to work on it. In IMHO it does not emphasize enough
>         that HOT the nGO has been created to coordinate and support the
>         free contribution of hundreds (almost thousands) of volunteers,
>         that are the core of the HOT project.
>     Waiting for the communication Group to define. Open to suggestions
>     and can change at any time. I would suggest that this should mirror
>     what is on the web site
>         2. What is exactly the aim of "to reach out and engage with
>         Humanitarian and Mapping Professionals" with this group. Finding
>         new people volunteering among the professionals or publishing
>         positions every time new ones are available? IMHO again, would
>         be good tfor the two cases to drive the people interested either
>         to the OSM lists or HOT website. But for the second case, it
>         would be better to have people volunteering first before
>         applying to positions
>     It is intended to be a way to reach an audience we may not already
>     have contact with. The clear aim is NOT to replicate the HOT List or
>     anything else, but provide a way for people who may not be part of
>     the Open Source Community to become aware of what we do, especially
>     in a Humanitarian context and then join our community. It also may
>     provide possible avenues for Sponsorship with organizations who have
>     never heard of HOT, etc
>         3. Why the Discussion group, where it seems discussions are
>         planned to be done, rather than simply linking to existing
>         channels? And this is a closed group (maybe by definition in
>         Linkedin) so it will not help people volunteering to have a
>         clear picture of what happens if there is this group with
>         discussion behind the scenes
>     Open Groups are very prone to the Spam you mention above. The closed
>     group is intended to avoid that. It is purely intended to be an
>     Announce Only group and any questions/discussions will be generally
>     redirected to the HOT List. Also, in some organizations, mail lists
>     like the HOT list IRC Channels are not permitted, by corporate
>     policy, so we still have an opportunity to keep in contact with
>     people via this Group It is just another avenue that may or may not
>     be worthwhile. Also, some people are a little shy about asking
>     initial questions on lists that go to a lot of people, so sometimes
>     a small venue to encourage them can be useful.
>         A few minor remarks or questions: I think HOT the NGO has been
>         officially created in 2010 and not 2012, and do not understand
>         well the figure of 51-200 employees. Is it the total number of
>         people that have been contracted since the creation of the
>         organization?
>     I just guessed the Number, am totally open to suggestions. I would
>     guess it could be either Voting Members or All Volunteers. If you
>     have a figure, let me know will adjust it.
>         Sincerely,
>         Severin
>         On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Mark Cupitt
>         <markcupitt at gmail.com <mailto:markcupitt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>             Dear All
>             The Communications Working Group is pleased to announce that
>             HOT now has a presence on LinkedIn. The objective of this
>             move is to further promote HOT's work to the professional
>             and business community world wide and directly engage with
>             people who may be interested in our activities.
>             We have two pages, a Company Page and a Discussion Group
>             The Company Page is designed to showcase HOT, what it is and
>             highlight key activities that HOT undertakes.
>             The company page is at
>             https://www.linkedin.com/company/humanitarian-openstreetmap-team
>             If you are a LinkedIn Member, please show your support by
>             following the company page and sharing the page to your contacts
>             Hot also has a Discussion Group
>             https://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=6937224&trk=groups_management_edit_group_info-h-dsc
>             This Group is not intended to replace the main Hot List,
>             rather it is intended as a mechanism to reach out and engage
>             with Humanitarian and Mapping Professionals all over the
>             world as well as promoting HOT Activities and events
>             Again, please join the group and share it with all your
>             contacts.
>             We are excited about this New LinkedIn Presence!
>             LinkedIn has a reach that extends to millions of
>             professionals world wide and we look forward to engaging
>             with people from all over the world and showcasing our work.
>             Regards
>             Mark Cupitt
>             "If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our
>             intelligence"
>             See me on Open StreetMap
>             <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt>
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