[HOT] validation

Dale Kunce dale.kunce at gmail.com
Sun Jun 28 18:49:31 UTC 2015


I like the done but needs help option. This would be really helpful both
during mapathons and for big activations where we have lots of new mappers.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2015, 2:05 PM john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> >Another idea which comes to my mind: let contributors have a third choice
> for their task. Apart from "Unlock" and "Mark task as done" something which
> marks the task as done but calls for more-or-less immediate validation
> because the contributor wants feedback about the quality of his work. Such
> tiles would be displayed in a different colour and form a priority queue
> for validation.
>
> This reduces the pressure of a direct interaction but offers newbies a
> feeling that they will not be left alone.
>
> I like this idea but it would need some method of picking them up.  There
> is probably a thousand open projects at the moment too many to scan through
> for one person.  The tile needn't be completely done just a please verify
> if what I've done so far is complete.
>
> On a personal note your validations on 1094 were appreciated, it helped
> lighten the validation load and provided a quicker turn round on the
> validation.  Often when you look at a project the problem mappers haven't
> mapped in seven months so there isn't much point in sending them any
> feedback which is why I just scan three or four projects that way I can
> validate a tile as soon as its done.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 28 June 2015 at 12:13, Michael HeiƟmeier <
> michael63 at digital-filestore.de> wrote:
>
>>  Hi all,
>>
>> john whelan schrieb am 28.06.2015 um 15:00:
>>
>>  The problem with email addresses are that when Nepal started up we had
>> several thousand new mappers in the first few days, if even 5% contacted
>> the email address the person gets swamped and burns out.
>>
>>
>> I agree that any direct interaction outside a mapathon venue sounds
>> problematic. Even if we had a dedicated irc channel then I imagine several
>> people asking questions at the same time and a few validators trying to
>> sort that out and answer simultaneously...
>> Not to forget that if such an option were offered then such a channel
>> would have to be supervised at specified hours. Would require a roster for
>> validators.
>>
>>  Maperthons, 1093 and 1094 I did quite a bit of validation on these,
>> much of the initial mapping was done in Maperthons and the quality was
>> uneven.
>>
>>   While validating for projects 831, 833 and 1094 I contacted those
>> contributors who made systematic errors, I did so either from the comment
>> field in the tasking manager or through the OSM message system when I felt
>> a longer explanation possibly with a few images was required. A fraction of
>> them responded and those who did were grateful for my comments. As I
>> expected, the quality of their mapping was directly correlated to their
>> experience in terms of contributions to OSM in general and HOT in
>> particular.
>>
>>  If you put something in the task instructions then people have to read
>> them and there seems to be a tendency to just map first and read the
>> instructions afterwards.  In African villages highway=pedestrian isn't on
>> the list of highways for Africa in the wiki.  Once you nudge them once or
>> twice there is far less clean up to do when validating so ideally a tool
>> that showed any new mapper who has mapped would be very nice but it isn't
>> going to happen overnight.  More validators would be nice but they need to
>> be tactful, have read the instructions and also have some knowledge and
>> experience.  I recall one of my tiles was bruskly invalidated because I
>> hadn't mapped something that was not required in the instructions.
>>
>>   People might not be reading instructions but they will have to read
>> the contribute tab. Maybe something like a clearly visible message "please
>> read the instructions before you start - if in doubt ask on the mailing
>> list" could help here.
>>
>> Another idea which comes to my mind: let contributors have a third choice
>> for their task. Apart from "Unlock" and "Mark task as done" something which
>> marks the task as done but calls for more-or-less immediate validation
>> because the contributor wants feedback about the quality of his work. Such
>> tiles would be displayed in a different colour and form a priority queue
>> for validation.
>>
>> This reduces the pressure of a direct interaction but offers newbies a
>> feeling that they will not be left alone.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On 28 June 2015 at 07:35, Dale Kunce <dale.kunce at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> John and Susan I love this idea. The Missing Maps projects are generally
>>> really good for new mappers. We could set up a couple of tasks outside a
>>> mapathon just for this purpose.
>>>
>>> Would you once a list of people you can contact in the task
>>> instructions. These folks will also be the ones responsible for being the
>>> validates and Mentors
>>>
>>>  On Sat, Jun 27, 2015, 9:21 PM Suzan Reed <suzan at suzanreed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John mentors me, and it's been extremely valuable to have him gently
>>>> mentioning problems.
>>>>
>>>> Having a list of projects for new people where they can get some
>>>> mentoring as they learn to map would be exellent. Being isolated isn't
>>>> easy. Being on a team and working with other mappers encourages us to do
>>>> more mapping, and it's more interesting and dare I say, fun.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Suzan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:11 PM, john whelan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I normally keep an eye on about three or four projects and validate any
>>>> tiles that get marked done on those projects usually within a day or so and
>>>> often within an hour or two.
>>>>
>>>> Working like this I find I can gently mention problems to newcomers and
>>>> strangely enough the projects get finished off.
>>>>
>>>> Could some one think of a way to have a list of projects that are
>>>> validated in this way that newcomers can find easily so they can get a bit
>>>> of support and don't feel too isolated.  It would need commitment from
>>>> someone to validate a project rather than the project manager adding it to
>>>> the list.
>>>>
>>>> Yes I understand that Maperthons are wonderful and looking over
>>>> someone's shoulder is useful but there are people who find getting to
>>>> Maperthons not so convenient and it would be nice to cater to them.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks John
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Michael (osm:michael63) *
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