[HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?

Prabhas Pokharel prabhas.pokharel at gmail.com
Mon May 4 05:53:42 UTC 2015


Thank you Heather, highly appreciated.

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello, my contacts advised that they are following up.  A quick note that
> this is a WHO dataset, not OCHA. If any files or notes could reflect that
> great.
>
> If there is any update I will let you know. It might take some time due to
> timezones and approvals by different UN groups.
>
> Thank you again for your work and advocacy.
>
> Heather
> On May 4, 2015 8:15 AM, "Heather Leson" <heatherleson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Inquiry sent.
>>
>> Heather
>> On May 4, 2015 8:02 AM, "Prabhas Pokharel" <prabhas.pokharel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heather,
>>> 2. The dataset was the following
>>> https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod
>>> 1. Megha went through and manually matched up health facilities in the
>>> Kathmandu Valley, because KLL has formerly surveyed and created a rigorous
>>> dataset in the valley. A majority of the conflicts in the valley were
>>> deleted. Since the second dataset doesn't have names, match up was done by
>>> location. Please follow up with Megha on the rest.
>>>
>>> If we get a compatible license, the other route we could go through
>>> (instead of re-instanting the changeset) is to do a more rigorous import,
>>> after checking that the health facility locations seem legitimate (not in
>>> forests, near residences, etc.) and not in conflict with existing
>>> facilities with HOT's help.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Prabhas
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Heather Leson <heatherleson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Pierre is sleeping. I would normally ask him and activation. I will
>>>> ask a contact via UN OCHA (offlist) and report back to activation
>>>>
>>>> What I need is:
>>>> 1. Confirmation that the changeset link includes the full dataset (the
>>>> link below )
>>>> 2. Exact source link for the dataset.
>>>>
>>>> I will ask for a license update.
>>>>
>>>> Does this sound ok?
>>>>
>>>> Heather
>>>>
>>>> The file is
>>>> On May 4, 2015 7:48 AM, "Prabhas Pokharel" <prabhas.pokharel at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > A very sad one, but nothing to do
>>>>> > about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM
>>>>> > without that non-commercial restriction.
>>>>>
>>>>> HOT, we must have contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation to
>>>>> ask if they are willing to do it? At the moment, we don't have the
>>>>> bandwidth here at KLL these days to have this conversation. But as I see
>>>>> it, adding POIs and named places onto the map is pretty important to focus
>>>>> on, in parallel with all of the imagery-based work that we are doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> Prabhas
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya <
>>>>> ravilacoya at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>> Hi, Prabhas:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if this data can be incorporated to a local or alternative
>>>>>> database that can be of use in this situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About the field papers, I don't see any problem to use this data as a
>>>>>> guide of finding those health facilities and correctly geolocate them
>>>>>> while surveying on the ground.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using the GNS and other place nodes already in the database, it might
>>>>>> be possible to add some of this nodes to OSM. It might. But in any
>>>>>> case, the license is a restriction. A very sad one, but nothing to do
>>>>>> about it, unless the copyright holders let us upload the data to OSM
>>>>>> without that non-commercial restriction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafael.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 04/05/15 00:26, Prabhas Pokharel wrote:
>>>>>> > Thank you all; two main issues here: one that the dataset
>>>>>> > geolocations are problematic, and two that the license was
>>>>>> > incompatible. Apologies for incorrectly interpreting the license
>>>>>> > here in Nepal.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > As megha said, the reason we attempted this was because the maps
>>>>>> > that HOTOSM volunteers have helped create via tracing for us is
>>>>>> > amazingly detailed (in terms of residential areas, roads, pre-quake
>>>>>> > buildings), but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on the
>>>>>> > ground. This was an attempt to alleviate the problem, but sounds
>>>>>> > like we did misinterpret the license issue, and apologies for
>>>>>> > that.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > We simply did not know about the problematic geolocations. However,
>>>>>> > it is worth noting that this dataset is what a lot of organizations
>>>>>> > have been using locally, given that it is the best available
>>>>>> > dataset of health facility locations.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Maybe the discussion we need to have soon is how we can improve
>>>>>> > OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate
>>>>>> > datasets like this that are very useful in scenarios like what we
>>>>>> > are going through, but are incompatible to put into OSM because of
>>>>>> > the license.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > cheers, Prabhas
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila Coya
>>>>>> > <ravilacoya at gmail.com <mailto:ravilacoya at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Hi all:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Megha (MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these data, has
>>>>>> > answered me through the OSM messaging. She works with the KLL and
>>>>>> > she tells me: "we are trying to create papers for the relief
>>>>>> > workers. The problem being there are enough details like roads,
>>>>>> > buildings, rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is difficult for
>>>>>> > the relief workers to locate themselves on the map. Importing the
>>>>>> > health facilities data was an attempt so that they can at least
>>>>>> > find some POIs they can look for while locating themselves on the
>>>>>> > map. The data I imported was from
>>>>>> > https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod.
>>>>>> > The licence says we can use the data for non commercial purpose and
>>>>>> > we need to credit the source. I hope these information are helpful
>>>>>> > and you can help us out."
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > With this info, I can see that the data is the one we were
>>>>>> > discussing a few days ago, although that data set contained almost
>>>>>> > 9,000 nodes, whereas the one of Megha had around 4,660.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I recall the main problem: geolocation was very poor (most of nodes
>>>>>> > in well out of any settlements). The other problem I see is the
>>>>>> > license: it's for non-commercial use, and that makes it
>>>>>> > incompatible with the OSM license.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I really feel to give a no in such circumstances as these, and
>>>>>> > that's why I ask for more input from other people with experience
>>>>>> > on this, just in case there is any possibility of including the
>>>>>> > data into OSM, and if not what other options we would have to make
>>>>>> > good use of these data set, if any.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Cheers,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Rafael.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 03/05/15 18:14, Kretzer wrote:
>>>>>> >> When looking at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several nodes
>>>>>> >> tagged as "Hospital" with a lot of information, quoting UNOCHA
>>>>>> >> as source, but obviously in the wrong place, because there is
>>>>>> >> nothing nearby. Like here:
>>>>>> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 Looks
>>>>>> >> like a mass import that somehow went wrong ... shame, because
>>>>>> >> hospitals are important!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is that called a
>>>>>> >> "task" now? Is it a single tile (with a #) or is it the whole
>>>>>> >> project?
>>>>>> >
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>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -- Prabhas Pokharel http://prabhasp.com
>>>>>> > twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - --
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls,
>>>>>> .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer,  non os abro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e
>>>>>> abertos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Prabhas Pokharel
>>>>> http://prabhasp.com
>>>>> twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Prabhas Pokharel
>>> http://prabhasp.com
>>> twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: prabhasp
>>>
>>


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Prabhas Pokharel
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