[HOT] Nepal: Hospital import gone wrong?

Springfield Harrison stellargps at gmail.com
Mon May 4 07:22:52 UTC 2015


Hello Kratzer,

         Just signed on moments ago, background 
in GIS, GPS mapping, helicopter pilot.

         Just curious if there is any metadata 
attached to the GPS field information as to the 
map projection and datum in use?  Is there any 
documentation for GPS field workers to refer 
to?  Or is this information just manually placed 
on the map by eye?  Bad data could be worse than none at all.

         Perhaps I could help with documentation 
for GPS fieldworkers if there is none in place.

                 Lots of challenges I'm sure, 
Cheers . . . . . . . . Spring Harrison, Canada



At 04-05-2015 00:03 Monday, Kretzer wrote:
>Maybe at some point a wrong coordinate system 
>was used for conversion? Like from the .shp to 
>.kll. (that's usually the reason why my GIS 
>imports end up in the wrong place ...) It would 
>be great if these important data could be of use 
>in the end. Gesendet mit der GMX iPhone App Am 
>04.05.15 um 07:51 schrieb Heather Leson > Hello, 
>my contacts advised that they are following up. 
>A quick note that > > this is a WHO dataset, not 
>OCHA. If any files or notes could reflect 
>that > > great. > > > > If there is any update I 
>will let you know. It might take some time due 
>to > > timezones and approvals by different UN 
>groups. > > > > Thank you again for your work 
>and advocacy. > > > > Heather > > On May 4, 2015 
>8:15 AM, "Heather Leson" 
><heatherleson at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Thank 
>you. > > > > > > Inquiry sent. > > > > > > 
>Heather > > > On May 4, 2015 8:02 AM, "Prabhas 
>Pokharel" <prabhas.pokharel at gmail.com> > > > 
>wrote: > > > > > >> Heather, > > >> 2. The 
>dataset was the following > > >> 
>https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod  
> > > >> 1. Megha went through and manually 
>matched up health facilities in the > > >> 
>Kathmandu Valley, because KLL has formerly 
>surveyed and created a rigorous > > >> dataset 
>in the valley. A majority of the conflicts in 
>the valley were > > >> deleted. Since the second 
>dataset doesn't have names, match up was done 
>by > > >> location. Please follow up with Megha 
>on the rest. > > >> > > >> If we get a 
>compatible license, the other route we could go 
>through > > >> (instead of re-instanting the 
>changeset) is to do a more rigorous 
>import, > > >> after checking that the health 
>facility locations seem legitimate (not 
>in > > >> forests, near residences, etc.) and 
>not in conflict with existing > > >> facilities 
>with HOT's help. > > >> > > >> cheers, > > >> 
>Prabhas > > >> > > >> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 
>10:41 AM, Heather Leson 
><heatherleson at gmail.com> > > >> 
>wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Pierre is sleeping. I 
>would normally ask him and activation. I 
>will > > >>> ask a contact via UN OCHA (offlist) 
>and report back to activation > > >>> > > >>> 
>What I need is: > > >>> 1. Confirmation that the 
>changeset link includes the full dataset 
>(the > > >>> link below ) > > >>> 2. Exact 
>source link for the dataset. > > >>> > > >>> I 
>will ask for a license update. > > >>> > > >>> 
>Does this sound ok? > > >>> > > >>> 
>Heather > > >>> > > >>> The file is > > >>> On 
>May 4, 2015 7:48 AM, "Prabhas Pokharel" 
><prabhas.pokharel at gmail.com> > > >>> 
>wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> > A very sad one, but 
>nothing to do > > >>>> > about it, unless the 
>copyright holders let us upload the data to 
>OSM > > >>>> > without that non-commercial 
>restriction. > > >>>> > > >>>> HOT, we must have 
>contacts at UN OCHA, can we start a conversation 
>to > > >>>> ask if they are willing to do it? At 
>the moment, we don't have the > > >>>> bandwidth 
>here at KLL these days to have this 
>conversation. But as I see > > >>>> it, adding 
>POIs and named places onto the map is pretty 
>important to focus > > >>>> on, in parallel with 
>all of the imagery-based work that we are 
>doing. > > >>>> > > >>>> cheers, > > >>>> 
>Prabhas > > >>>> > > >>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 
>10:26 AM, Rafael Avila Coya < > > >>>> 
>ravilacoya at gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> 
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >>>>> 
>Hash: SHA1 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Hi, 
>Prabhas: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I wonder if this 
>data can be incorporated to a local or 
>alternative > > >>>>> database that can be of 
>use in this situation. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> About 
>the field papers, I don't see any problem to use 
>this data as a > > >>>>> guide of finding those 
>health facilities and correctly geolocate 
>them > > >>>>> while surveying on the 
>ground. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Using the GNS and 
>other place nodes already in the database, it 
>might > > >>>>> be possible to add some of this 
>nodes to OSM. It might. But in any > > >>>>> 
>case, the license is a restriction. A very sad 
>one, but nothing to do > > >>>>> about it, 
>unless the copyright holders let us upload the 
>data to OSM > > >>>>> without that 
>non-commercial restriction. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 
>Cheers, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 
>Rafael. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 04/05/15 00:26, 
>Prabhas Pokharel wrote: > > >>>>> > Thank you 
>all; two main issues here: one that the 
>dataset > > >>>>> > geolocations are 
>problematic, and two that the license 
>was > > >>>>> > incompatible. Apologies for 
>incorrectly interpreting the license > > >>>>> > 
>here in Nepal. > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > As megha 
>said, the reason we attempted this was because 
>the maps > > >>>>> > that HOTOSM volunteers have 
>helped create via tracing for us is > > >>>>> > 
>amazingly detailed (in terms of residential 
>areas, roads, pre-quake > > >>>>> > buildings), 
>but hard to use because of the lack of POIs on 
>the > > >>>>> > ground. This was an attempt to 
>alleviate the problem, but sounds > > >>>>> > 
>like we did misinterpret the license issue, and 
>apologies for > > >>>>> > 
>that. > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > We simply did not 
>know about the problematic geolocations. 
>However, > > >>>>> > it is worth noting that 
>this dataset is what a lot of 
>organizations > > >>>>> > have been using 
>locally, given that it is the best 
>available > > >>>>> > dataset of health facility 
>locations. > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > Maybe the 
>discussion we need to have soon is how we can 
>improve > > >>>>> > OSM-based tools (MapOSMatic, 
>Fieldpapers, etc) to incorporate > > >>>>> > 
>datasets like this that are very useful in 
>scenarios like what we > > >>>>> > are going 
>through, but are incompatible to put into OSM 
>because of > > >>>>> > the 
>license. > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > cheers, 
>Prabhas > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > On 
>Mon, May 4, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Rafael Avila 
>Coya > > >>>>> > <ravilacoya at gmail.com 
><mailto:ravilacoya at gmail.com>> 
>wrote: > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > Hi 
>all: > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > Megha 
>(MeghaShrestha), the user that imported these 
>data, has > > >>>>> > answered me through the 
>OSM messaging. She works with the KLL 
>and > > >>>>> > she tells me: "we are trying to 
>create papers for the relief > > >>>>> > 
>workers. The problem being there are enough 
>details like roads, > > >>>>> > buildings, 
>rivers but no POIs in many areas. It is 
>difficult for > > >>>>> > the relief workers to 
>locate themselves on the map. Importing 
>the > > >>>>> > health facilities data was an 
>attempt so that they can at least > > >>>>> > 
>find some POIs they can look for while locating 
>themselves on the > > >>>>> > map. The data I 
>imported was from > > >>>>> > 
>https://data.hdx.rwlabs.org/dataset/nepal-health-facilities-cod.  
> > > >>>>> > The licence says we can use the 
>data for non commercial purpose and > > >>>>> > 
>we need to credit the source. I hope these 
>information are helpful > > >>>>> > and you can 
>help us out." > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > With this 
>info, I can see that the data is the one we 
>were > > >>>>> > discussing a few days ago, 
>although that data set contained 
>almost > > >>>>> > 9,000 nodes, whereas the one 
>of Megha had around 
>4,660. > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > I recall the main 
>problem: geolocation was very poor (most of 
>nodes > > >>>>> > in well out of any 
>settlements). The other problem I see is 
>the > > >>>>> > license: it's for non-commercial 
>use, and that makes it > > >>>>> > incompatible 
>with the OSM license. > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > I 
>really feel to give a no in such circumstances 
>as these, and > > >>>>> > that's why I ask for 
>more input from other people with 
>experience > > >>>>> > on this, just in case 
>there is any possibility of including 
>the > > >>>>> > data into OSM, and if not what 
>other options we would have to make > > >>>>> > 
>good use of these data set, if 
>any. > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > 
>Cheers, > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > 
>Rafael. > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > On 03/05/15 
>18:14, Kretzer wrote: > > >>>>> >> When looking 
>at the Gorkha area in #1024 I noticed several 
>nodes > > >>>>> >> tagged as "Hospital" with a 
>lot of information, quoting UNOCHA > > >>>>> >> 
>as source, but obviously in the wrong place, 
>because there is > > >>>>> >> nothing nearby. 
>Like here: > > >>>>> >> 
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=19/28.00839/84.62397 
>Looks > > >>>>> >> like a mass import that 
>somehow went wrong ... shame, 
>because > > >>>>> >> hospitals are 
>important! > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> >> 
>By the way, I am somewhat confused as to what is 
>that called a > > >>>>> >> "task" now? Is it a 
>single tile (with a #) or is it the 
>whole > > >>>>> >> 
>project? > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> >> 
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> >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >  
> >>>>> > -- Prabhas Pokharel 
>http://prabhasp.com > > >>>>> > 
>twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: 
>prabhasp > > >>>>> > > >>>>> - -- > > >>>>> 
>Twitter: 
>http://twitter.com/ravilacoya > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 
>  - 
>-------------------------------- > > >>>>> > > >> 
> >>> Por favor, non me envíe documentos con 
>extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, > > >>>>> .xlsx, 
>.ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os 
>abro. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Atendendo á 
>lexislación vixente, empregue formatos 
>estándares e > > >>>>> 
>abertos. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 
>http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros  
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> >> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Prabhas 
>Pokharel > > >>>> http://prabhasp.com > > >>>> 
>twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: 
>prabhasp > > >>>> > > >>>> 
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>Prabhas Pokharel > > >> 
>http://prabhasp.com > > >> 
>twitter/skype/facebook/whatever: 
>prabhasp > > >> > > > > > 
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