[HOT] Worried about task 1018
pierzenh at yahoo.fr
Sat May 9 16:05:26 UTC 2015
I appreciate your testimony about beginners experience. Your various testtimony are important for us to adapt and find the best strategy to adapt our workflow including training material, mapathons, Tasks instructions, Validations.
Areas with no Description : If this correspond to a polygon where no tags were added, our Global Validation process can take care with Query to the database and spot all of these and correct.
Buildings not aligned : Bing imagery is our basis to align objects. When we work with post-disaster imagery, it might be slighlty moved away from Bing. Both in ID and JOSM it is possible to realign the imagery to correspond to what was previously mapped. The importance is to keep coherence among all objects mapped. This is often a mistake of new contributors to each realign buildings using various images.
To go back to a tile you worked on, You go back to the Task Manager job you workded on. Go to the Stats panel of the TM job and pass the mouse over your OSM-ID. This will show the tile you worked on. If nobody works presently on the tile, you can click to review the tile.
To show your TM history, click on your OSM-ID in this Stats panel.
Yes, a lot of people, of volunteer people from around the world are doing great work supporting Kathmandu Living Labs and the Nepal population, including you! Thanks a lot!
Sometimes frustrating this crowdsourcing, but we surely all gain something working together, gathering from around the world and exploring ways to provide better answers while participating to such disaster managements. As many have said in the medias, this is a great way to make the difference other then providing money to caritative organizatons. And be assured that the organizations appreciate the efforts made by this virtual volunteered community.
De : Barbara Figge <bfigge at web.de>
À : john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
Cc : Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>; "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
Envoyé le : Samedi 9 mai 2015 11h12
Objet : Aw: Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
Hi to everyone,I am one of the beginners of the last weeks, since last friday I mapped - mostly buildings (and mostly unsquared, I am one of them, too), tried some paths. I try to read the mailing list notes in between, I started with the mapgive things before first mapping, I read the instructions before starting, I did not validate and though these mistakes happened. But I am learning a lot.Currently I am a little irritated about all the mistakes one can make and so I made up my mind not to stop mapping, but to stay on the safe side of the street: mapping buildings, and after I noticed the importance of buildings being squared, squaring my and the buildings of others.Now there are some questions left: in the tile I worked in there are some areas without description (and no bulding or something else to see)- shall I delete them or do they have a special reason I overread in the mailing list conversation?There are a lot of mapped buildings, where the symbol is some meters away from the building. Shall I correct or is it okay?And: is there a possibility to go back to a tile I worked on by searching the number or must I search inside the map?Best wishes and: as far as I can see from my small desk, a lot of people are doing great work!Barbarabarbaraulrike in osm Gesendet: Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 15:11 Uhr
Von: "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
An: "Pierre Béland" <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
Cc: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
Betreff: Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018I think I'm moderately experienced in mapping. In West Africa I'm very comfortable validating, in Nepal I'm happy I know what a building looks like but paths, streams etc I'm not so comfortable with, there is a lot of distracting detail on the images. Do I validate and clean up the building and tag side? Or just add a few more buildings?
Thanks John On 9 May 2015 at 08:27, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
We have to adapt to an awesome contribution with this Nepal emergency. We need more people. At the same time, we need to adapt in various ways to crowdsourcing as we see various problems arizing. I also opened a ticket. This would be for the validators to prioritize validating first for the less experienced. A checkbox could let show only tiles selected by less experienced contributors.https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599 regard
Pierre De : Severin Menard <severin.menard at gmail.com>
À : Extra Paul <paulokoko at hotmail.com>
Cc : "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
Envoyé le : Samedi 9 mai 2015 7h49
Objet : Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018 Hi all,
I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of unvalidating tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There is no offense I hope, everyone has been a beginner once and learning and improving is part of the motivation with OSM, IMHO.I just suggested this change in the asking Manager that should prevent in the future the fact that tiles are validated by beginners:https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598, titled: Validate button only for mappers who clicked previously on Edit with JOSM. I also hope iD will have in the future not only a building mapping tool, but also (as mappers may not use the building tool) an automatic proposition to square or round the shape that has just been traced as soon as a building tag is chosen (GitHub issue: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624). The tools and the documentation apart, we also need to organize and exchange between us the people: who is interested in validation checking meaning also providing feedback or monitoring beginners? Basically you need to be a proficient user of JOSM and having a lot of edits (not less than with 4-5 zeros, I would say)It takes a bit of time but it is valuable and a nice way to interact. My hello to Suzan Reed who asked me directly for monitoring her tasks.We have a list (thanks to Pascal Neis!) of the beginners from the start of the Activation, some are drive-bys (typically only 1 day of mapping, a few edits) and others more to super committed mappers. I have started a spreadsheet for those who would like to monitor these committed mappers. Sincerely, Severin On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Extra Paul <paulokoko at hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear openstreetmappers :) I'm quite worried about the quality of maps for task 1018.Many of mappers, obviously, did not check the instructions or even the tutorials. People want to help, and that's awesome, but maybe validation should be done my more experienced and meticulous mappers.I've seen mappers validating more that 10 areas in less than an hour, and those areas still contain many errors : clusters of buildings mapped as one, landuse=residential area used for clusters of nothing more than 1 or 2 buildings, many streams seen as footpath, many paths in the middle of nowhere... Maybe instructions should contain some images to show clearly what is expected, and explain that the purpose of this map is to count each individual buildings and have roads and paths connected to them so buildings can be reached by humanitarian teams.Currently, most of my time on 1018 is to check validated areas because half of those areas are not correctly mapped. Paul
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