[HOT] Worried about task 1018

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Sat May 9 16:08:29 UTC 2015

Pierre says it best but my thoughts follow.

To me the unsquared buildings are not a major issue in Nepal.  Within a
tile a JOSM user can select buildings, then select an unsquared one
remember the user select buildings once more then square all the buildings
for that user in one keystroke.

As a beginner I suggest you don't correct odd areas, let someone else do
the dirty deed, it saves having upset users and sometimes its just a matter
of someone forgetting to tag it and often an experienced mapper can glance
at it and give it a tag.

Paths and tracks unless its very clear I stay away from these in Nepal and
I'm fairly experienced.  There are a number of terraces, the land can be
quite steep so even though two ends of a path may look close together
reality is its a long drop between the two.

For the moment I'd just add buildings, if you can manage to use JOSM and
the building_tool plugin, you'll need the remote control plugin as well
you'll find it's very easy to use and produces squared buildings correctly
tagged and we have a lot of buildings to add.

Cheerio John

On 9 May 2015 at 11:12, Barbara Figge <bfigge at web.de> wrote:

> Hi to everyone,
> I am one of the beginners of the last weeks, since last friday I mapped -
> mostly buildings (and mostly unsquared, I am one of them, too), tried some
> paths. I try to read the mailing list notes in between, I started with the
> mapgive things before first mapping, I read the instructions before
> starting, I did not validate and though these mistakes happened. But I am
> learning a lot.
> Currently I am a little irritated about all the mistakes one can make and
> so I made up my mind not to stop mapping, but to stay on the safe side of
> the street: mapping buildings, and after I noticed the importance of
> buildings being squared, squaring my and the buildings of others.
> Now there are some questions left: in the tile I worked in there are some
> areas without description (and no bulding or something else to see)- shall
> I delete them or do they have a special reason I overread in the mailing
> list conversation?
> There are a lot of mapped buildings, where the symbol is some meters away
> from the building. Shall I correct or is it okay?
> And: is there a possibility to go back to a tile I worked on by searching
> the number or must I search inside the map?
> Best wishes and: as far as I can see from my small desk, a lot of people
> are doing great work!
> Barbara
> barbaraulrike in osm
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 15:11 Uhr
> *Von:* "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> *An:* "Pierre Béland" <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
> *Cc:* "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
>  I think I'm moderately experienced in mapping.  In West Africa I'm very
> comfortable validating, in Nepal I'm happy I know what a building looks
> like but paths, streams etc I'm not so comfortable with, there is a lot of
> distracting detail on the images.  Do I validate and clean up the building
> and tag side?  Or just add a few more buildings?
> Thoughts?
> Thanks John
> On 9 May 2015 at 08:27, Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>  We have to adapt to an awesome contribution with this Nepal emergency.
>> We need more people. At the same time, we need to adapt in various ways to
>> crowdsourcing as we see various problems arizing.
>> I also opened a ticket. This would be for the validators to prioritize
>> validating first for the less experienced. A checkbox could let show only
>> tiles selected by less experienced contributors.
>> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/599
>>  regard
>> Pierre
>>  ------------------------------
>> *De :* Severin Menard <severin.menard at gmail.com>
>> *À :* Extra Paul <paulokoko at hotmail.com>
>> *Cc :* "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>> *Envoyé le :* Samedi 9 mai 2015 7h49
>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] Worried about task 1018
>>   Hi all,
>> I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of
>> unvalidating tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There
>> is no offense I hope, everyone has been a beginner once and learning and
>> improving is part of the motivation with OSM, IMHO.
>> I just suggested this change in the asking Manager that should prevent in
>> the future the fact that tiles are validated by beginners:
>> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598, titled:
>> Validate button only for mappers who clicked previously on Edit with JOSM.
>> I also hope iD will have in the future not only a building mapping tool,
>> but also (as mappers may not use the building tool) an automatic
>> proposition to square or round the shape that has just been traced as soon
>> as a building tag is chosen (GitHub issue:
>> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624).
>> The tools and the documentation apart, we also need to organize and
>> exchange between us the people: who is interested in validation checking
>> meaning also providing feedback or monitoring beginners? Basically you need
>> to be a proficient user of JOSM and having a lot of edits (not less than
>> with 4-5 zeros, I would say)
>> It takes a bit of time but it is valuable and a nice way to interact. My
>> hello to Suzan Reed who asked me  directly for monitoring her tasks.
>> We have a list
>> <http://tools.neis-one.org/tmp/20150425-20150505_Nepal_NewContributorsOSM.txt>
>> (thanks to Pascal Neis!) of the beginners from the start of the Activation,
>> some are drive-bys (typically only 1 day of mapping, a few edits) and
>> others more to super committed mappers. I have started a spreadsheet for
>> those who would like to monitor these committed mappers.
>> Sincerely,
>> Severin
>> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Extra Paul <paulokoko at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>  Dear openstreetmappers :)
>> I'm quite worried about the quality of maps for task 1018.
>> Many of mappers, obviously, did not check the instructions or even the
>> tutorials. People want to help, and that's awesome, but maybe validation
>> should be done my more experienced and meticulous mappers.
>> I've seen mappers validating more that 10 areas in less than an hour, and
>> those areas still contain many errors : clusters of buildings mapped as
>> one, landuse=residential area used for clusters of nothing more than 1 or 2
>> buildings, many streams seen as footpath, many paths in the middle of
>> nowhere...
>> Maybe instructions should contain some images to show clearly what is
>> expected, and explain that the purpose of this map is to count each
>> individual buildings and have roads and paths connected to them so
>> buildings can be reached by humanitarian teams.
>> Currently, most of my time on 1018 is to check validated areas because
>> half of those areas are not correctly mapped.
>> Paul
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