[HOT] Fwd: Re: slow time mapper productivity

Charlotte Wolter techlady at techlady.com
Sat May 9 19:51:25 UTC 2015


         Excellent idea, though probably tough to do in the middle of
this crisis. But we do have the email addresses and A LOT of people
have participated, so we should get some valuable feedback.


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>Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 02:07:17 -0700
>To: Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
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>Pierre and all,
>Has collecting data from these new contributors been considered?
>It would be interesting to know why some stick and why the rest leave.
>A simple SurveyMonkey query would tell why a whopping 2,820 contributors
>worked only one day and why only 864 newbies stuck around. That data
>could be used to direct the new training material and to change the landing
>page for OSM.
>The survey would need to be carefully written to return useful data,
>hopefully by someone adept and experienced in survey writing. There must
>be data-gathering experts in the team.
>Features of the survey could include
>--boxes where survey participants can leave messages in their own words,
>--asking for contributor's background (college student, retired, working
>full time, professional background, degrees, etc.)
>--where they heard about the project,
>--how difficult they found using the software,
>--what frustrations and joys they found in participating,
>--if they plan on contributing in the future,
>--what would make their experience easier, more interesting, etc., and
>--what they suggest for improvement.
>If something could be put together soon, these 
>3,684 people could give valuable
>data. Hopefully email addresses were gathered with registration?
>On May 8, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:
>Editors, either ID or JOSM will surely evolve to 
>be more intuitive for new contributors.
>If we look at the characteristics of the 
>contributors for the first 12 days of this Nepal response
>- 5,765 contributors
>- 3,684 opened an OSM account since Apr. 25
>- 2,820 of these new contributors contributed only one day
>My opinion is that we should not concentrate on 
>the volume of edits made by these contributors, 
>but assure that they can learn the basis rapidly 
>and produce data of quality.  The mapathons 
>bring in numerous of new contributors that 
>become aware of OpenStreetMap, which is a good 
>result. We need tools to have the capacity to 
>follow their edits as they learn this to assure 
>that they master the basic concepts of editing. 
>It would be interesting to analyze how we can 
>retain more contributors, wha make them come back to edit for a second day.
>De : Russell Deffner 
><<mailto:russell.deffner at hotosm.org>russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
>À : 'Tom McDonald' 
><<mailto:tmcd123 at gmail.com>tmcd123 at gmail.com>; 
>'Kretzer' <<mailto:kretzer at gmx.net>kretzer at gmx.net>
>Cc : <mailto:hot at openstreetmap.org>hot at openstreetmap.org
>Envoyé le : Vendredi 8 mai 2015 21h11
>Objet : Re: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity
>Hi Tom and Kretzer,
>Something to note, is there are other advantages 
>and disadvantages to the various editors and 
>that is why we must allow for people to choose 
>which one is right for them.  In some places we 
>work, people are less familiar with computers 
>and the internet.  In some cases, just being a 
>desktop editor makes JOSM more familiar and 
>easier to work with.  In other cases it can be 
>difficult to explain what Java is and why JOSM 
>doesn’t work without it.  You can be more 
>certain that they already have a browser 
>installed; many of our first day trainings in 
>the field are a bit of general computer usage to 
>start.  Locally during a disaster there may not 
>be an internet and you need offline capability, 
>but possibly there is hit and miss cell service enough to use a mobile editor.
>This is what makes it pretty much impossible to 
>just ‘flip a switch’ and have everyone using the 
>same tools and methods and find a training 
>method that works for all (not to mention 
>different learning styles, etc.)  I can say that 
>in my short time with OSM, there have been leaps 
>and bounds in making things more user friendly 
>as well as easier to check quality, use the 
>data, etc., etc.  I remember there were a few 
>videos made by Steve Coast showing how to edit 
>with Potlatch, and they worked to get me started 
>(and were rather entertaining/comical) but 
>somewhat showcase two issues I often think about 
>regarding training tools: translation and 
>shelf-life; I think those videos may have 
>disappeared already, but even at the time I 
>watched them, things had changed and they were showing their age.
>I know this was a bit more than a reply just to 
>this thread, but sort of a reply in general to a 
>lot of topics; please do keep up the conversation, we can always do better,
>From: Tom McDonald [mailto:tmcd123 at gmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 6:43 PM
>To: Kretzer
>Cc: <mailto:hot at openstreetmap.org>hot at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity
>I agree John - JOSM should be encouraged for 
>building mapping. I do not think it deserves a difficult reputation.
>An awesome and easy to use feature (besides the 
>building tool of course) is the filter: setting 
>one to hide all building=* makes it really easy 
>to flip all buildings on/off. This makes it 
>easier to see buildings you may have missed.
>On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Kretzer 
><<mailto:kretzer at gmx.net>kretzer at gmx.net> wrote:
>Or you could go the other way and ad a building tool to iD.
>This needs to be kept simple I guess, but there 
>could be some tools to speed up editing in iD.
>Antoher thing that makes editing in iD slower is 
>that you can always only edit one item a time. 
>I'd like to be able to select several objects 
>and move them, or tag them together.
>Gesendet: Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 01:45 Uhr
>Von: "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>An: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>Betreff: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity
>This is definitely slow time and not something to distract HOT at the moment.
>Mapping buildings is not my favourite 
>occupation.  I reward myself by breaking off and 
>sending the odd email etc from time to time so 
>the figures below are not head down hard mapping of buildings.
>However I noticed that in a one hour session in 
>Nepal I mapped around six hundred buildings 
>using JOSM building_tool including one or two 
>odd shaped ones <shift>J thanks to Blake's video.
>If I look at the tiles I'm working on I see that 
>half the mappers only map twenty buildings or 
>less and there aren't that many mappers mapping 
>over a hundred buildings in a tile.
>Does it matter?  If we were paying mappers for 
>their time then yes it would, we aren't but even 
>so think how much more quickly we could complete 
>projects with the same resources and we won't 
>even talk about data quality issues.
>I understand that JOSM has acquired a reputation 
>for being hard to teach and use by some but 
>perhaps with suitable guidelines we can get a 
>bit more productivity out of our mappers?
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