[HOT] Fwd: Re: slow time mapper productivity
Charlotte Wolter
techlady at techlady.com
Sat May 9 19:51:25 UTC 2015
Suzan,
Excellent idea, though probably tough to do in the middle of
this crisis. But we do have the email addresses and A LOT of people
have participated, so we should get some valuable feedback.
Charlotte
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>From: Suzan Reed <suzan at suzanreed.com>
>Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 02:07:17 -0700
>To: Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>
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>Pierre and all,
>
>Has collecting data from these new contributors been considered?
>It would be interesting to know why some stick and why the rest leave.
>A simple SurveyMonkey query would tell why a whopping 2,820 contributors
>worked only one day and why only 864 newbies stuck around. That data
>could be used to direct the new training material and to change the landing
>page for OSM.
>The survey would need to be carefully written to return useful data,
>hopefully by someone adept and experienced in survey writing. There must
>be data-gathering experts in the team.
>
>Features of the survey could include
>--boxes where survey participants can leave messages in their own words,
>--asking for contributor's background (college student, retired, working
>full time, professional background, degrees, etc.)
>--where they heard about the project,
>--how difficult they found using the software,
>--what frustrations and joys they found in participating,
>--if they plan on contributing in the future,
>--what would make their experience easier, more interesting, etc., and
>--what they suggest for improvement.
>If something could be put together soon, these
>3,684 people could give valuable
>data. Hopefully email addresses were gathered with registration?
>
>Suzan
>
>
>On May 8, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:
>
>Editors, either ID or JOSM will surely evolve to
>be more intuitive for new contributors.
>
>If we look at the characteristics of the
>contributors for the first 12 days of this Nepal response
>- 5,765 contributors
>- 3,684 opened an OSM account since Apr. 25
>- 2,820 of these new contributors contributed only one day
>
>My opinion is that we should not concentrate on
>the volume of edits made by these contributors,
>but assure that they can learn the basis rapidly
>and produce data of quality. The mapathons
>bring in numerous of new contributors that
>become aware of OpenStreetMap, which is a good
>result. We need tools to have the capacity to
>follow their edits as they learn this to assure
>that they master the basic concepts of editing.
>It would be interesting to analyze how we can
>retain more contributors, wha make them come back to edit for a second day.
>
>
>Pierre
>
>De : Russell Deffner
><<mailto:russell.deffner at hotosm.org>russell.deffner at hotosm.org>
>À : 'Tom McDonald'
><<mailto:tmcd123 at gmail.com>tmcd123 at gmail.com>;
>'Kretzer' <<mailto:kretzer at gmx.net>kretzer at gmx.net>
>Cc : <mailto:hot at openstreetmap.org>hot at openstreetmap.org
>Envoyé le : Vendredi 8 mai 2015 21h11
>Objet : Re: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity
>
>Hi Tom and Kretzer,
>
>Something to note, is there are other advantages
>and disadvantages to the various editors and
>that is why we must allow for people to choose
>which one is right for them. In some places we
>work, people are less familiar with computers
>and the internet. In some cases, just being a
>desktop editor makes JOSM more familiar and
>easier to work with. In other cases it can be
>difficult to explain what Java is and why JOSM
>doesnt work without it. You can be more
>certain that they already have a browser
>installed; many of our first day trainings in
>the field are a bit of general computer usage to
>start. Locally during a disaster there may not
>be an internet and you need offline capability,
>but possibly there is hit and miss cell service enough to use a mobile editor.
>
>This is what makes it pretty much impossible to
>just flip a switch and have everyone using the
>same tools and methods and find a training
>method that works for all (not to mention
>different learning styles, etc.) I can say that
>in my short time with OSM, there have been leaps
>and bounds in making things more user friendly
>as well as easier to check quality, use the
>data, etc., etc. I remember there were a few
>videos made by Steve Coast showing how to edit
>with Potlatch, and they worked to get me started
>(and were rather entertaining/comical) but
>somewhat showcase two issues I often think about
>regarding training tools: translation and
>shelf-life; I think those videos may have
>disappeared already, but even at the time I
>watched them, things had changed and they were showing their age.
>
>I know this was a bit more than a reply just to
>this thread, but sort of a reply in general to a
>lot of topics; please do keep up the conversation, we can always do better,
>=Russ
>
>
>
>From: Tom McDonald [mailto:tmcd123 at gmail.com]
>Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 6:43 PM
>To: Kretzer
>Cc: <mailto:hot at openstreetmap.org>hot at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity
>
>I agree John - JOSM should be encouraged for
>building mapping. I do not think it deserves a difficult reputation.
>
>An awesome and easy to use feature (besides the
>building tool of course) is the filter: setting
>one to hide all building=* makes it really easy
>to flip all buildings on/off. This makes it
>easier to see buildings you may have missed.
>
>Tom
>
>On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Kretzer
><<mailto:kretzer at gmx.net>kretzer at gmx.net> wrote:
>Or you could go the other way and ad a building tool to iD.
>This needs to be kept simple I guess, but there
>could be some tools to speed up editing in iD.
>
>Antoher thing that makes editing in iD slower is
>that you can always only edit one item a time.
>I'd like to be able to select several objects
>and move them, or tag them together.
>
>Gesendet: Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 01:45 Uhr
>Von: "john whelan" <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>An: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
>Betreff: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity
>This is definitely slow time and not something to distract HOT at the moment.
>
>Mapping buildings is not my favourite
>occupation. I reward myself by breaking off and
>sending the odd email etc from time to time so
>the figures below are not head down hard mapping of buildings.
>
>However I noticed that in a one hour session in
>Nepal I mapped around six hundred buildings
>using JOSM building_tool including one or two
>odd shaped ones <shift>J thanks to Blake's video.
>
>If I look at the tiles I'm working on I see that
>half the mappers only map twenty buildings or
>less and there aren't that many mappers mapping
>over a hundred buildings in a tile.
>
>Does it matter? If we were paying mappers for
>their time then yes it would, we aren't but even
>so think how much more quickly we could complete
>projects with the same resources and we won't
>even talk about data quality issues.
>
>I understand that JOSM has acquired a reputation
>for being hard to teach and use by some but
>perhaps with suitable guidelines we can get a
>bit more productivity out of our mappers?
>
>Cheerio
>
>John
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