[HOT] Worried about task 1018

[Suzan Reed]

Validating: 
Validation button only shows up for user with x number of edits/tiles completed and/or passing a quick validation test. 

Survey:
Survey to all new users would provide data for improvement of OSM marketing, use, and training. The sooner the better. 

Where do you comment? 
Don't know where else to make these suggestions as OSM seems to be quite scattered in training and feedback. 

One place to list all training: 
Would suggest someone take leadership to bring all training under one umbrella, i.e. a site where every training link is listed, with the goal to eventually have all training on one site. 

It seems to me a lot of highly talented and intelligent people are doing excellent work to provide background and training, but it's done ad hoc without any coordination. If it were coordinated, what a treasure it would be. 

I volunteer to work on a team with more experienced OSM members to 1) set up this page/site at OSM.org 2) gather all links to training in every language 3) organize them 4) promote them. 

Suzan Reed
USA

On May 9, 2015, at 4:49 AM, Severin Menard wrote:

Hi all,

I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of unvalidating tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There is no offense I hope, everyone has been a beginner once and learning and improving is part of the motivation with OSM, IMHO.
I just suggested this change in the asking Manager that should prevent in the future the fact that tiles are validated by beginners:
https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598, titled: Validate button only for mappers who clicked previously on Edit with JOSM. 
I also hope iD will have in the future not only a building mapping tool, but also (as mappers may not use the building tool) an automatic proposition to square or round the shape that has just been traced as soon as a building tag is chosen (GitHub issue: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624). 

The tools and the documentation apart, we also need to organize and exchange between us the people: who is interested in validation checking meaning also providing feedback or monitoring beginners? Basically you need to be a proficient user of JOSM and having a lot of edits (not less than with 4-5 zeros, I would say)
It takes a bit of time but it is valuable and a nice way to interact. My hello to Suzan Reed who asked me  directly for monitoring her tasks.
We have a list (thanks to Pascal Neis!) of the beginners from the start of the Activation, some are drive-bys (typically only 1 day of mapping, a few edits) and others more to super committed mappers. I have started a spreadsheet for those who would like to monitor these committed mappers. 

Sincerely,

Severin

On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Extra Paul <paulokoko at hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear openstreetmappers :)

I'm quite worried about the quality of maps for task 1018.
Many of mappers, obviously, did not check the instructions or even the tutorials. People want to help, and that's awesome, but maybe validation should be done my more experienced and meticulous mappers.
I've seen mappers validating more that 10 areas in less than an hour, and those areas still contain many errors : clusters of buildings mapped as one, landuse=residential area used for clusters of nothing more than 1 or 2 buildings, many streams seen as footpath, many paths in the middle of nowhere... 
Maybe instructions should contain some images to show clearly what is expected, and explain that the purpose of this map is to count each individual buildings and have roads and paths connected to them so buildings can be reached by humanitarian teams.
Currently, most of my time on 1018 is to check validated areas because half of those areas are not correctly mapped.

Paul

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