[HOT] Worried about task 1018

Tom McDonald tmcd123 at gmail.com
Sat May 9 15:50:51 UTC 2015

Though I am active, I do NOT show up on Pascal's new contributor's list
(user tmcd123, joined April 30). There must others missing as well?

Paul's suggestion "Maybe instructions should contain some images to show
clearly what is expected," is excellent. I still find it difficult to
decide what to mark as landuse=residential in rural Nepal. An example in
the documentation would be great.

Could someone please point me to a validated square that I could look at
with landuse=residential used appropriately in a rural area.

I may be new here, but I am definitely getting the hang of it. I use JOSM.

On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:49 AM, Severin Menard <severin.menard at gmail.com>

> Hi all,
> I understand your worry Paul, and have the same experience of unvalidating
> tasks. I put clear comments for the people to know why. There is no offense
> I hope, everyone has been a beginner once and learning and improving is
> part of the motivation with OSM, IMHO.
> I just suggested this change in the asking Manager that should prevent in
> the future the fact that tiles are validated by beginners:
> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598, titled:
> Validate button only for mappers who clicked previously on Edit with JOSM.
> I also hope iD will have in the future not only a building mapping tool,
> but also (as mappers may not use the building tool) an automatic
> proposition to square or round the shape that has just been traced as soon
> as a building tag is chosen (GitHub issue:
> https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2624).
> The tools and the documentation apart, we also need to organize and
> exchange between us the people: who is interested in validation checking
> meaning also providing feedback or monitoring beginners? Basically you need
> to be a proficient user of JOSM and having a lot of edits (not less than
> with 4-5 zeros, I would say)
> It takes a bit of time but it is valuable and a nice way to interact. My
> hello to Suzan Reed who asked me  directly for monitoring her tasks.
> We have a list
> <http://tools.neis-one.org/tmp/20150425-20150505_Nepal_NewContributorsOSM.txt>
> (thanks to Pascal Neis!) of the beginners from the start of the Activation,
> some are drive-bys (typically only 1 day of mapping, a few edits) and
> others more to super committed mappers. I have started a spreadsheet for
> those who would like to monitor these committed mappers.
> Sincerely,
> Severin
> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Extra Paul <paulokoko at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear openstreetmappers :)
>> I'm quite worried about the quality of maps for task 1018.
>> Many of mappers, obviously, did not check the instructions or even the
>> tutorials. People want to help, and that's awesome, but maybe validation
>> should be done my more experienced and meticulous mappers.
>> I've seen mappers validating more that 10 areas in less than an hour, and
>> those areas still contain many errors : clusters of buildings mapped as
>> one, landuse=residential area used for clusters of nothing more than 1 or 2
>> buildings, many streams seen as footpath, many paths in the middle of
>> nowhere...
>> Maybe instructions should contain some images to show clearly what is
>> expected, and explain that the purpose of this map is to count each
>> individual buildings and have roads and paths connected to them so
>> buildings can be reached by humanitarian teams.
>> Currently, most of my time on 1018 is to check validated areas because
>> half of those areas are not correctly mapped.
>> Paul
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