[HOT] Request for information about common set of tags for HOT (Was: OSM Nepal Reponse - Links to various infos)

Stefan Keller sfkeller at gmail.com
Sun May 17 15:29:46 UTC 2015

Hi Blake

Many thanks for your clarifications.

2015-05-15 22:13 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com> wrote/a écrit:
> We would welcome any assistance with updating, streamlining and regularizing
> HOT's tagging and tagging guidance and underlying data model if need be.

I'd like to help and my proposal is
1. to collect and identify most common tags specific to HOT
2. to mention and document them in Wiki page "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1]

So, to begin collecting the candidates, I only foumd these two:
* damage:event=*
* operator:type=private • government • community

The "idp:camp_site=spontaneous_camp" is already sub-specific to a
disaster event.

Any others tag or key candidates?

Yours, S.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags

2015-05-15 22:13 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>:
> Hi Stefan,
> HOT (and OSM) tagging has grown and evolved since we first started 5 or 6
> years ago that is for sure. And given the somewhat intermittent
> participatory nature of OSM and the wiki things can for sure get out of
> sync.
> We would welcome any assistance with updating, streamlining and regularizing
> HOT's tagging and tagging guidance and underlying data model if need be. It
> is a big project for the folks in and out of HOT who developed and maintain
> it.
> It was through gentle ;) feedback from the OSM community that we have
> started use some more planned tagging schemes you mentioned so there is yet
> time for some of that to catch up.
> I am excited for us to roll up our sleeves and give the tagging, guidance,
> data model and rendering a timely review and updating. At the moment many in
> HOT are concentrating on working with our fellow travelers in Nepal (and DRC
> and Vanuatu and Guam and South Sudan and Nigeria and several other places
> unfortunately), but when that begins to thankfully be less of an urgent
> matter several of us look forward to joining you fully in the process.
> And like I said, any reorganization or updating and streaming in the wiki
> you could help us with in the mean time will be very welcome and
> appreciated. If you have any questions please just ask them here on the
> mailing list but under a different email thread so it is less confusing
> talking about something that has nothing to do with this thread.
> Cheers,
> Blake
> On 5/15/2015 8:43 PM, Stefan Keller wrote:
>> Salut Pierre, hi Will, dear leading HOT members, hello all
>> 2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr
>> <mailto:pierzenh at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>>> Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on how to
>>> both respond quickly and assure data quality.
>> I really appreciate your work and the work of all contributors. So
>> excuse me if I'm little bit too harsh now.
>> I'm trying to to collect the minimal common set of HOT tags for
>> specifying a renderer, for future use and for OSM quality in general.
>> Will already answered finally in an earlier post (thanks!) - but I'm
>> sorry to say: What we (OSM) now have in HOT pages is a tag mess since
>> years!
>> Please correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps there a process on tagging
>> mailing list I'm missing? Here's what I found:
>> To me the potential main HOT tag page is "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1].
>> This page is very "orphaned" - it has been edited twice since 2013(!?).
>> It prominently points to "Humanitarian_Data_Background" as "An
>> up-to-date list of tags for HOT" - being a page which has been updated
>> 3.5 years ago (!?).
>> Then I see that no single wiki page with Nepal in its title - including
>> "2015_Nepal_earthquake" [3]  - is pointing to Humanitarian_OSM_Tags,
>> whereas the Nepal_remote_mapping_guide [4] mainly lists the usual main
>> tags (like building=yes, natural=wood|water, water=*, waterway=river,
>> waterway=stream, landuse=farmland).
>> I would expect at least to see tags like damage:event and idp:camp_site
>> - being top 20 in [6] - to show up in any wiki page related to tags
>> mentioned above.
>> But these aren't even mentioned in the wiki except somehow in [4] - but
>> which was declared outdated 2013.
>> How can we clean up this under-documented mess and "tag soup" at least
>> for a small common set of tags?
>> Yours, S.
>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags
>> [2]
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Background
>> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake
>> [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging
>> [5]
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model
>> [6] http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys
>> 2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr
>> <mailto:pierzenh at yahoo.fr>>:
>>     This OSM response for Nepal is quite challenging. And even more
>>     difficult for our friends at the Kathmandu Living Labs (KLL) who
>>     have to suffer the emotional impact of the second earthquake this
>>     week. They also have to move from the famous Yellow house to a
>>     school. This should assure them a more secure area to work.
>>     Cheers to them that maintain the Nepal earthquake Ushahidi map,
>>     provide various mapping services to the humanitarian in the field
>>     and assure the interface with the Nepal governement and the various
>>     UN Coordination structures for this response (ie The clusters to
>>     coordinate sanitation, water, logistic, food distribution, health,
>> etc).
>>     As usual, the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap community assures the
>>     interface between the OSM community, the UN agencies and the
>>     international organizations. We support the OSM remote response from
>>     around the word and we co-coordinate with KLL. We both interface
>>     with the DHNetwork digital organization and various other groups via
>>     Skype. We have a great support from the International Charter
>>     (imagery providers), UNOSAT, DigitalGlobe, Airbus, the HIU unit of
>>     the US State dept., Google, and our dedicated OSM/HOT experienced
>>     contributors and developpers.
>>     Plus the various groups that provide the 30 minutes updates for the
>>     various OSM exports.
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake#Map_and_Data_Services
>>     Still more challenges to come with the landslides risks and the
>>     monsoon coming soon.
>>     At the same time, it is important to assure a good coordination of
>>     the OSM community from around the world. The statistics below show
>>     great numbers and some challenges with all the new contributors that
>>     participate to the response. Note that these are preliminary
>>     statistics that can be revised later. With less then 3 weeks of
>>     response, we already have edited more the 13 million of objects.
>>     The pbf export file increased from 27 megs april 24 to 84 megs
>>     yesterday. Three times bigger. This is quite awesome. It also shows
>>     how we should adapt to such a rapid growth of the OSM database for
>>     Nepal and maintain quality to adequately respond to the operational
>>     needs of the humanitarian organizations in the field.
>>     Preliminary statistics, Nepal Response Apr-25 – May 15, including
>>     worldwide mechanical edits          NB
>>     Contributors        *6,456*
>>     Days        *11,877*
>>     Changeset Sessions  *154,048*
>>     Objects edited (ie. Points, lines, polygons)        *13,089,247*
>>     Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on
>>     how to both respond quickly and assure data quality. OSM
>>     crowdsourcing can be compared to an image that we load throug
>>     internet. First, we have a quite inprecise image, coming clearer
>>     gradually.  The Mapathons a bit of this role. If unorganized, they
>>     can bring a lot of data quality problems. The worlwide OSM
>>     community  can play a strategic role in such a response by
>>     contributing to structure the way the new contributors learn OSM and
>>     edit the map. For the first day of contribution, what is important
>>     is that people better understand what are the various steps and
>>     provide quality data. If we succeed to bring them a second day to
>>     help, this will show quite a significant succcess since the majority
>>     of them contribute only one day for the response.
>>     There will be surely Lessons learned from this Response. For now, I
>>     suggest that people that organize Mapathons communicate with
>>     activation @ hotosm.org <http://hotosm.org> and provide some infos
>>     about the Mapathon
>>     - who Organize this mapathon
>>     - town, country
>>     - Name, email of organizers
>>     - how many experienced osm contributors to support the mapathon
>>     - Nb of people that you plan to receive
>>     - twitter account if you plan to publish updates
>>     - indicate that you give HOT the license to reuse photos that you
>>     publish on Twitter. This can help for outreach and various Blog
>> updates.
>>     *Various map products*
>>     UNOSAT GDACS Live map with geolocated damage analysis.
>> https://unosat.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=b9f9da798f364cd6a6e68fc20f5475eb
>>     Visualisation, /Potentially Dangerous Glacial Lakes of Nepal
>>     /
>>     http://geoportal.icimod.org/storymaps/nepalglakes/
>>     Lanslides in the mountains with the last earthquake this week - See
>>     this video to better understand the reality of people living in
>>     remote areas of Nepal with only paths connecting the high mountain
>>     villages.
>>     https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599005434733789185
>>     A Visualisation Gift from Christian Quest of OSM-fr
>>     New contributions to OSM for Nepal
>>     Awesoooooooooooooooooooooome!!!
>>     http://osm.cquest.org/nepal/#9/27.7139/85.3198
>>     twitter update on this
>>     https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599232884982026241
>>     Cheers all
>>     Pierre
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