[HOT] Request for information about common set of tags for HOT

Sun May 17 15:55:30 UTC 2015

Hi Stefan,

I plan on starting next week on this topic (I guess that is tomorrow 
already :). I know Will is pretty busy in his regular life as well.

I will re-read your original email and the suggestions below and better 
review the pages you linked to originally and then hopefully be able to 
contribute more coherently after that. I confess I have been a little 
scattered these past couple of weeks.

I look forward to working on this with you, thank you for helping.

cheers,
Blake

On 5/17/2015 5:29 PM, Stefan Keller wrote:
> Hi Blake
>
> Many thanks for your clarifications.
>
> 2015-05-15 22:13 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com> wrote/a écrit:
> ...
>> We would welcome any assistance with updating, streamlining and regularizing
>> HOT's tagging and tagging guidance and underlying data model if need be.
>
> I'd like to help and my proposal is
> 1. to collect and identify most common tags specific to HOT
> 2. to mention and document them in Wiki page "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1]
>
> So, to begin collecting the candidates, I only foumd these two:
> * damage:event=*
> * operator:type=private • government • community
>
> The "idp:camp_site=spontaneous_camp" is already sub-specific to a
> disaster event.
>
> Any others tag or key candidates?
>
> Yours, S.
>
>
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags
>
> 2015-05-15 22:13 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi Stefan,
>>
>> HOT (and OSM) tagging has grown and evolved since we first started 5 or 6
>> years ago that is for sure. And given the somewhat intermittent
>> participatory nature of OSM and the wiki things can for sure get out of
>> sync.
>>
>> We would welcome any assistance with updating, streamlining and regularizing
>> HOT's tagging and tagging guidance and underlying data model if need be. It
>> is a big project for the folks in and out of HOT who developed and maintain
>> it.
>>
>> It was through gentle ;) feedback from the OSM community that we have
>> started use some more planned tagging schemes you mentioned so there is yet
>> time for some of that to catch up.
>>
>> I am excited for us to roll up our sleeves and give the tagging, guidance,
>> data model and rendering a timely review and updating. At the moment many in
>> HOT are concentrating on working with our fellow travelers in Nepal (and DRC
>> and Vanuatu and Guam and South Sudan and Nigeria and several other places
>> unfortunately), but when that begins to thankfully be less of an urgent
>> matter several of us look forward to joining you fully in the process.
>>
>> And like I said, any reorganization or updating and streaming in the wiki
>> you could help us with in the mean time will be very welcome and
>> appreciated. If you have any questions please just ask them here on the
>> mailing list but under a different email thread so it is less confusing
>> talking about something that has nothing to do with this thread.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Blake
>>
>>
>> On 5/15/2015 8:43 PM, Stefan Keller wrote:
>>>
>>> Salut Pierre, hi Will, dear leading HOT members, hello all
>>>
>>> 2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr
>>> <mailto:pierzenh at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on how to
>>>> both respond quickly and assure data quality.
>>>
>>>
>>> I really appreciate your work and the work of all contributors. So
>>> excuse me if I'm little bit too harsh now.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to to collect the minimal common set of HOT tags for
>>> specifying a renderer, for future use and for OSM quality in general.
>>>
>>> Will already answered finally in an earlier post (thanks!) - but I'm
>>> sorry to say: What we (OSM) now have in HOT pages is a tag mess since
>>> years!
>>>
>>> Please correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps there a process on tagging
>>> mailing list I'm missing? Here's what I found:
>>>
>>> To me the potential main HOT tag page is "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1].
>>> This page is very "orphaned" - it has been edited twice since 2013(!?).
>>> It prominently points to "Humanitarian_Data_Background" as "An
>>> up-to-date list of tags for HOT" - being a page which has been updated
>>> 3.5 years ago (!?).
>>>
>>> Then I see that no single wiki page with Nepal in its title - including
>>> "2015_Nepal_earthquake" [3]  - is pointing to Humanitarian_OSM_Tags,
>>> whereas the Nepal_remote_mapping_guide [4] mainly lists the usual main
>>> tags (like building=yes, natural=wood|water, water=*, waterway=river,
>>> waterway=stream, landuse=farmland).
>>>
>>> I would expect at least to see tags like damage:event and idp:camp_site
>>> - being top 20 in [6] - to show up in any wiki page related to tags
>>> mentioned above.
>>> But these aren't even mentioned in the wiki except somehow in [4] - but
>>> which was declared outdated 2013.
>>>
>>> How can we clean up this under-documented mess and "tag soup" at least
>>> for a small common set of tags?
>>>
>>> Yours, S.
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags
>>> [2]
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Background
>>> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake
>>> [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging
>>> [5]
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model
>>> [6] http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr
>>> <mailto:pierzenh at yahoo.fr>>:
>>>
>>>
>>>      This OSM response for Nepal is quite challenging. And even more
>>>      difficult for our friends at the Kathmandu Living Labs (KLL) who
>>>      have to suffer the emotional impact of the second earthquake this
>>>      week. They also have to move from the famous Yellow house to a
>>>      school. This should assure them a more secure area to work.
>>>      Cheers to them that maintain the Nepal earthquake Ushahidi map,
>>>      provide various mapping services to the humanitarian in the field
>>>      and assure the interface with the Nepal governement and the various
>>>      UN Coordination structures for this response (ie The clusters to
>>>      coordinate sanitation, water, logistic, food distribution, health,
>>> etc).
>>>
>>>      As usual, the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap community assures the
>>>      interface between the OSM community, the UN agencies and the
>>>      international organizations. We support the OSM remote response from
>>>      around the word and we co-coordinate with KLL. We both interface
>>>      with the DHNetwork digital organization and various other groups via
>>>      Skype. We have a great support from the International Charter
>>>      (imagery providers), UNOSAT, DigitalGlobe, Airbus, the HIU unit of
>>>      the US State dept., Google, and our dedicated OSM/HOT experienced
>>>      contributors and developpers.
>>>
>>>      Plus the various groups that provide the 30 minutes updates for the
>>>      various OSM exports.
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake#Map_and_Data_Services
>>>      Still more challenges to come with the landslides risks and the
>>>      monsoon coming soon.
>>>
>>>      At the same time, it is important to assure a good coordination of
>>>      the OSM community from around the world. The statistics below show
>>>      great numbers and some challenges with all the new contributors that
>>>      participate to the response. Note that these are preliminary
>>>      statistics that can be revised later. With less then 3 weeks of
>>>      response, we already have edited more the 13 million of objects.
>>>
>>>      The pbf export file increased from 27 megs april 24 to 84 megs
>>>      yesterday. Three times bigger. This is quite awesome. It also shows
>>>      how we should adapt to such a rapid growth of the OSM database for
>>>      Nepal and maintain quality to adequately respond to the operational
>>>      needs of the humanitarian organizations in the field.
>>>
>>>
>>>      Preliminary statistics, Nepal Response Apr-25 – May 15, including
>>>      worldwide mechanical edits          NB
>>>      Contributors        *6,456*
>>>      Days        *11,877*
>>>      Changeset Sessions  *154,048*
>>>      Objects edited (ie. Points, lines, polygons)        *13,089,247*
>>>
>>>
>>>      Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on
>>>      how to both respond quickly and assure data quality. OSM
>>>      crowdsourcing can be compared to an image that we load throug
>>>      internet. First, we have a quite inprecise image, coming clearer
>>>      gradually.  The Mapathons a bit of this role. If unorganized, they
>>>      can bring a lot of data quality problems. The worlwide OSM
>>>      community  can play a strategic role in such a response by
>>>      contributing to structure the way the new contributors learn OSM and
>>>      edit the map. For the first day of contribution, what is important
>>>      is that people better understand what are the various steps and
>>>      provide quality data. If we succeed to bring them a second day to
>>>      help, this will show quite a significant succcess since the majority
>>>      of them contribute only one day for the response.
>>>
>>>      There will be surely Lessons learned from this Response. For now, I
>>>      suggest that people that organize Mapathons communicate with
>>>      activation @ hotosm.org <http://hotosm.org> and provide some infos
>>>      about the Mapathon
>>>      - who Organize this mapathon
>>>      - town, country
>>>      - Name, email of organizers
>>>      - how many experienced osm contributors to support the mapathon
>>>      - Nb of people that you plan to receive
>>>      - twitter account if you plan to publish updates
>>>      - indicate that you give HOT the license to reuse photos that you
>>>      publish on Twitter. This can help for outreach and various Blog
>>> updates.
>>>
>>>      *Various map products*
>>>
>>>      UNOSAT GDACS Live map with geolocated damage analysis.
>>>
>>> https://unosat.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=b9f9da798f364cd6a6e68fc20f5475eb
>>>
>>>      Visualisation, /Potentially Dangerous Glacial Lakes of Nepal
>>>      /
>>>      http://geoportal.icimod.org/storymaps/nepalglakes/
>>>
>>>      Lanslides in the mountains with the last earthquake this week - See
>>>      this video to better understand the reality of people living in
>>>      remote areas of Nepal with only paths connecting the high mountain
>>>      villages.
>>>      https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599005434733789185
>>>
>>>      A Visualisation Gift from Christian Quest of OSM-fr
>>>      New contributions to OSM for Nepal
>>>      Awesoooooooooooooooooooooome!!!
>>>      http://osm.cquest.org/nepal/#9/27.7139/85.3198
>>>
>>>      twitter update on this
>>>      https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599232884982026241
>>>      Cheers all
>>>
>>>      Pierre
>>>
>>>
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