[HOT] Request for information about common set of tags for HOT
Blake Girardot
bgirardot at gmail.com
Sun May 17 15:55:30 UTC 2015
Hi Stefan,
I plan on starting next week on this topic (I guess that is tomorrow
already :). I know Will is pretty busy in his regular life as well.
I will re-read your original email and the suggestions below and better
review the pages you linked to originally and then hopefully be able to
contribute more coherently after that. I confess I have been a little
scattered these past couple of weeks.
I look forward to working on this with you, thank you for helping.
cheers,
Blake
On 5/17/2015 5:29 PM, Stefan Keller wrote:
> Hi Blake
>
> Many thanks for your clarifications.
>
> 2015-05-15 22:13 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com> wrote/a écrit:
> ...
>> We would welcome any assistance with updating, streamlining and regularizing
>> HOT's tagging and tagging guidance and underlying data model if need be.
>
> I'd like to help and my proposal is
> 1. to collect and identify most common tags specific to HOT
> 2. to mention and document them in Wiki page "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1]
>
> So, to begin collecting the candidates, I only foumd these two:
> * damage:event=*
> * operator:type=private • government • community
>
> The "idp:camp_site=spontaneous_camp" is already sub-specific to a
> disaster event.
>
> Any others tag or key candidates?
>
> Yours, S.
>
>
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags
>
> 2015-05-15 22:13 GMT+02:00 Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi Stefan,
>>
>> HOT (and OSM) tagging has grown and evolved since we first started 5 or 6
>> years ago that is for sure. And given the somewhat intermittent
>> participatory nature of OSM and the wiki things can for sure get out of
>> sync.
>>
>> We would welcome any assistance with updating, streamlining and regularizing
>> HOT's tagging and tagging guidance and underlying data model if need be. It
>> is a big project for the folks in and out of HOT who developed and maintain
>> it.
>>
>> It was through gentle ;) feedback from the OSM community that we have
>> started use some more planned tagging schemes you mentioned so there is yet
>> time for some of that to catch up.
>>
>> I am excited for us to roll up our sleeves and give the tagging, guidance,
>> data model and rendering a timely review and updating. At the moment many in
>> HOT are concentrating on working with our fellow travelers in Nepal (and DRC
>> and Vanuatu and Guam and South Sudan and Nigeria and several other places
>> unfortunately), but when that begins to thankfully be less of an urgent
>> matter several of us look forward to joining you fully in the process.
>>
>> And like I said, any reorganization or updating and streaming in the wiki
>> you could help us with in the mean time will be very welcome and
>> appreciated. If you have any questions please just ask them here on the
>> mailing list but under a different email thread so it is less confusing
>> talking about something that has nothing to do with this thread.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Blake
>>
>>
>> On 5/15/2015 8:43 PM, Stefan Keller wrote:
>>>
>>> Salut Pierre, hi Will, dear leading HOT members, hello all
>>>
>>> 2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr
>>> <mailto:pierzenh at yahoo.fr>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on how to
>>>> both respond quickly and assure data quality.
>>>
>>>
>>> I really appreciate your work and the work of all contributors. So
>>> excuse me if I'm little bit too harsh now.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to to collect the minimal common set of HOT tags for
>>> specifying a renderer, for future use and for OSM quality in general.
>>>
>>> Will already answered finally in an earlier post (thanks!) - but I'm
>>> sorry to say: What we (OSM) now have in HOT pages is a tag mess since
>>> years!
>>>
>>> Please correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps there a process on tagging
>>> mailing list I'm missing? Here's what I found:
>>>
>>> To me the potential main HOT tag page is "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1].
>>> This page is very "orphaned" - it has been edited twice since 2013(!?).
>>> It prominently points to "Humanitarian_Data_Background" as "An
>>> up-to-date list of tags for HOT" - being a page which has been updated
>>> 3.5 years ago (!?).
>>>
>>> Then I see that no single wiki page with Nepal in its title - including
>>> "2015_Nepal_earthquake" [3] - is pointing to Humanitarian_OSM_Tags,
>>> whereas the Nepal_remote_mapping_guide [4] mainly lists the usual main
>>> tags (like building=yes, natural=wood|water, water=*, waterway=river,
>>> waterway=stream, landuse=farmland).
>>>
>>> I would expect at least to see tags like damage:event and idp:camp_site
>>> - being top 20 in [6] - to show up in any wiki page related to tags
>>> mentioned above.
>>> But these aren't even mentioned in the wiki except somehow in [4] - but
>>> which was declared outdated 2013.
>>>
>>> How can we clean up this under-documented mess and "tag soup" at least
>>> for a small common set of tags?
>>>
>>> Yours, S.
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags
>>> [2]
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Background
>>> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake
>>> [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging
>>> [5]
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model
>>> [6] http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr
>>> <mailto:pierzenh at yahoo.fr>>:
>>>
>>>
>>> This OSM response for Nepal is quite challenging. And even more
>>> difficult for our friends at the Kathmandu Living Labs (KLL) who
>>> have to suffer the emotional impact of the second earthquake this
>>> week. They also have to move from the famous Yellow house to a
>>> school. This should assure them a more secure area to work.
>>> Cheers to them that maintain the Nepal earthquake Ushahidi map,
>>> provide various mapping services to the humanitarian in the field
>>> and assure the interface with the Nepal governement and the various
>>> UN Coordination structures for this response (ie The clusters to
>>> coordinate sanitation, water, logistic, food distribution, health,
>>> etc).
>>>
>>> As usual, the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap community assures the
>>> interface between the OSM community, the UN agencies and the
>>> international organizations. We support the OSM remote response from
>>> around the word and we co-coordinate with KLL. We both interface
>>> with the DHNetwork digital organization and various other groups via
>>> Skype. We have a great support from the International Charter
>>> (imagery providers), UNOSAT, DigitalGlobe, Airbus, the HIU unit of
>>> the US State dept., Google, and our dedicated OSM/HOT experienced
>>> contributors and developpers.
>>>
>>> Plus the various groups that provide the 30 minutes updates for the
>>> various OSM exports.
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake#Map_and_Data_Services
>>> Still more challenges to come with the landslides risks and the
>>> monsoon coming soon.
>>>
>>> At the same time, it is important to assure a good coordination of
>>> the OSM community from around the world. The statistics below show
>>> great numbers and some challenges with all the new contributors that
>>> participate to the response. Note that these are preliminary
>>> statistics that can be revised later. With less then 3 weeks of
>>> response, we already have edited more the 13 million of objects.
>>>
>>> The pbf export file increased from 27 megs april 24 to 84 megs
>>> yesterday. Three times bigger. This is quite awesome. It also shows
>>> how we should adapt to such a rapid growth of the OSM database for
>>> Nepal and maintain quality to adequately respond to the operational
>>> needs of the humanitarian organizations in the field.
>>>
>>>
>>> Preliminary statistics, Nepal Response Apr-25 – May 15, including
>>> worldwide mechanical edits NB
>>> Contributors *6,456*
>>> Days *11,877*
>>> Changeset Sessions *154,048*
>>> Objects edited (ie. Points, lines, polygons) *13,089,247*
>>>
>>>
>>> Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on
>>> how to both respond quickly and assure data quality. OSM
>>> crowdsourcing can be compared to an image that we load throug
>>> internet. First, we have a quite inprecise image, coming clearer
>>> gradually. The Mapathons a bit of this role. If unorganized, they
>>> can bring a lot of data quality problems. The worlwide OSM
>>> community can play a strategic role in such a response by
>>> contributing to structure the way the new contributors learn OSM and
>>> edit the map. For the first day of contribution, what is important
>>> is that people better understand what are the various steps and
>>> provide quality data. If we succeed to bring them a second day to
>>> help, this will show quite a significant succcess since the majority
>>> of them contribute only one day for the response.
>>>
>>> There will be surely Lessons learned from this Response. For now, I
>>> suggest that people that organize Mapathons communicate with
>>> activation @ hotosm.org <http://hotosm.org> and provide some infos
>>> about the Mapathon
>>> - who Organize this mapathon
>>> - town, country
>>> - Name, email of organizers
>>> - how many experienced osm contributors to support the mapathon
>>> - Nb of people that you plan to receive
>>> - twitter account if you plan to publish updates
>>> - indicate that you give HOT the license to reuse photos that you
>>> publish on Twitter. This can help for outreach and various Blog
>>> updates.
>>>
>>> *Various map products*
>>>
>>> UNOSAT GDACS Live map with geolocated damage analysis.
>>>
>>> https://unosat.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=b9f9da798f364cd6a6e68fc20f5475eb
>>>
>>> Visualisation, /Potentially Dangerous Glacial Lakes of Nepal
>>> /
>>> http://geoportal.icimod.org/storymaps/nepalglakes/
>>>
>>> Lanslides in the mountains with the last earthquake this week - See
>>> this video to better understand the reality of people living in
>>> remote areas of Nepal with only paths connecting the high mountain
>>> villages.
>>> https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599005434733789185
>>>
>>> A Visualisation Gift from Christian Quest of OSM-fr
>>> New contributions to OSM for Nepal
>>> Awesoooooooooooooooooooooome!!!
>>> http://osm.cquest.org/nepal/#9/27.7139/85.3198
>>>
>>> twitter update on this
>>> https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599232884982026241
>>> Cheers all
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>>
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