[HOT] Squared buildings

[Jo]

If you want a building squared at 45 degrees in JOSM, for some reason, you
can start with a closed way with 8 nodes, then use the circle tool.

Or you can press 'a' twice, allowing you to add the next part of a way at
15 degree angle intervals. It's possible to create really nice geometric
shapes using this method.

One has to know the tool one is working with.

When people insist on working with iD, it's necessary to tell them (over
and over again) about the importance of doing the extra step of squaring
the rectangular buildings. For one thing, it makes using JOSM's extrude
tool easier, if it's needed to improve the building.

I understand that, as a validator, it's extremely tedious to square all
those buildings, even when using the todo plugin and pressing ]q]q]q]q]q]
hundreds of times. You could invalidate the tiles which contain mostly
unsquared buildings. Or you could just leave them alone, post a remark to
the user and validate the tile anyway. Better that than becoming burned out
as a validator.

I've been trying to get people to understand how much work it is to
validate their tiles, when buildings are not squared by creating
screencasts and posting a link to it in the comment field. This was rather
effective, but it still is rather time consuming and there are always new
users coming in, which, for some reason, were not trained with JOSM the
power tool, but with iD instead.

Anyway, those screencasts were also meant as a way to show people the
advantages of using JOSM, but I don't know if I have been very successful
at getting them to start using it. It's hard to make people switch to
something new, which is why I'll be teaching only JOSM, this Saturday (also
because I don't know iD all that well, ofc). I failed to follow up, as I
moved on to other projects that gave me more satisfaction (as a validator).

Polyglot

2016-04-14 4:15 GMT+02:00 Suzan Reed <suzan at suzanreed.com>:

> How about showing people how to map a building and square it right at the
> beginning of mapping? It’s all one motion for me.
>
> Just a suggestion!
>
> Suzan
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Clifford Snow <clifford at snowandsnow.us>
> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:52 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Seeing 200 unsquared buildings by one mapper on a tile makes me think they
> weren't using JOSM and the building-tool.  I could be wrong, the same
> mapper also left behind three area=yes squares that just happened to be the
> same as a building image.  Again it is perfectly possible to do this in
> JOSM to draw such a shape and tag it area=yes, though why anyone with JOSM
> and the building_tool plugin would do such a thing I can't imagine.
>
> I'm asking a pragmatic question given that I'm seeing so many unsquared
> buildings when validating is it essential they be squared?  and if so how
> do we get squared buildings?
>
> From my experience with hosting Missing Maps and HOT mapathons many of the
> mappers are first time contributors. We try to get them mapping as quickly
> as possible. After a period of time we introduce new techniques, such as
> squaring buildings and copy paste. The behavior you observed may be the
> lack of training. If its possible to find out if the mapper attended an
> event and if so who organized it to give gentle constructive feedback to
> the host. (Hopefully it wasn't one of ours)
>
> Clifford
>
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