[HOT] #MapLesotho task completed on Qacha's Nek

Ciarán Staunton ciaran.staunton at gmail.com
Tue Dec 20 12:39:14 UTC 2016

Hi John,
Always nice to have a platform to talk about Lesotho. I always suggest "map
a little first before one validates", since the task instructions are more
detailed "post-basemap". Thats the only way to have the confidence to be
able to check another person's efforts.

That's a nice idea to have a detailed look at #MapLesotho's flaws and
quantify them. Obviously you have spotted that we already know/accept its
flawed, and we are sanguine about that because it is part of the phased
strategy alluded to on the Lesotho wiki. There have been phases of work
which are just locals, with the occasional shout of "come all ye", which
like Missing Maps has large numbers of new users. There is an inevitability
that people will make an effort and choose an unorthodox tag, or draw
something badly or whatever and its all part of the process as they tend to
have basic sanity and know something is water, versus something else being
trees, versus something else being a residential area or a field.
Nonetheless those contributions can be tidied up by others who as they grow
as mappers like to finesse the efforts others make. The calculation here is
that to make a quick twenty-five node effort at a hectare of forest into a
50 node effort which locks on nicely to the canopy line in 2D is a skill
mappers need to evolve instead of "getting it right first time". Now that's
not a licence to be sloppy, because feedback points out the correct things
and there are around 14 people in Lesotho who regularly impart feedback to
others pointing out the task instructions as the guidelines. I think this
sort of approach is fundamental to harnessing and managing a crowdsource,
with the local mappers policing what gets contributed more and more.

The team that just finished Qacha are using Osmose and Keepright to fix all
the odd things that result on the map. That's additional to the JOSM
validator. The Africa Highway tagging is on our radar for a big tidy up,
which I am hoping to help co-ordinate if I can travel to Lesotho in 2017.
The third phase will be all about the tidy up. The phase after (or starting
later) to that will be about detailing the map, building use surveys and
photographs and "street level" collection can still involve the wider
hotosm community using the Mapillarys and field papers that come available.


On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 2:06 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had a quick look.  I must say that reading through the instructions I
> personally wouldn't feel confident I could mark any tile done.  They are
> quite comprehensive and I'm not sure I personally have the experience to
> map all the different things requested.
> I did validate a couple of tiles then pulled in Lesotho.  Hopefully I
> didn't miss anything in the validation.  In Lesotho there are currently
> some 5,430 duplicated something or others.  I noted 2,667 untagged ways or
> ways that were merely commented.
> There are a few thousand highways that do not follow the African Highway
> guidelines.  The highway=bridleway and highway=pedestrian in particular I
> would be suspicious of.
> I'm sure the errors that JOSM validation picked up are in areas of the
> country that are not in your projects and when you extend your projects
> these will eventually be corrected.
> I may have a go at correcting some of the untagged ways etc that JOSM
> validation detected.
> I wish you well in your endeavors and I'm very pleased you've found so
> many mappers running JOSM and JOSM validation to reduce the number of
> errors in your projects in Lesotho.  When I gain a little more experience
> in landuse mapping etc. I may drop in again.
> Cheerio John
> On 19 December 2016 at 18:04, Ciarán Staunton <ciaran.staunton at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> A big thanks to the people who help out mapping and validating on task
>> #1941 which was going for about 6 months and got chalked off to a very high
>> standard today (read the task instructions to see what I mean). Now that we
>> all know what we are doing much better I am glad to say that 97% of the
>> tiles got done by people from..... Qacha's Nek. While this is a great thing
>> the local community would benefit greatly from more peer contact through
>> the validation process. Now  we turn our attention to Thaba Tseka task
>> #1947, and again any help with validation would be most welcome. The one
>> guideline I would set is that if you want to validate first do at least one
>> tile to get the "feel" for it. Thanks in advance!
>> DeBigC
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