[HOT] Request for enhancement to the Task Manager

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Thu Jun 23 22:54:48 UTC 2016

I'm not suggesting we limit validation to users who have done so many edits.

Working as a team I've used mappers with a week's experience to validate
certain projects with limited technical knowledge requirements, ie
buildings only but they were using JOSM and with JOSM Validation the
area=yes and untagged ways really do stand out and they were able to ask in
case of doubt.

We don't have enough validators and I'm not suggesting that only those who
are certified and know every rule of OSM are permitted to validate but the
concern is the data quality of the map and I really don't think you can
validate effectively without using JOSM.  The fact it reduces the number of
people who are validating after two hours membership is a bonus.

Turning tiles green when they shouldn't be is something that affects our
end users and I think we should look for ways to minimise this.

The discussion on Git hub didn't seem to be looking at it from that point
of view but rather was just someone's opinion who I suspect hasn't done a
lot of validating and knows the issues.

Does anyone dispute that to validate effectively you need JOSM by way?


Cheerio John
On 23 Jun 2016 6:27 pm, "Harry Wood" <mail at harrywood.co.uk> wrote:

> The idea of letting only JOSM users be validators was discussed and
> rejected here:
> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/598
> Linked to that is the idea of only allowing validators who have been
> granted validator permissions.
> I made a suggestion here which is less heavy-handed than either those
> ideas:
> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/587#issuecomment-146255806
> Technically I guess all of these ideas would require a developer to make
> all the logic work in validator or non-validator mode. Easier said than
> done.
> Harry
> ________________________________
> From: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> To: "hot at openstreetmap.org" <hot at openstreetmap.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2016, 17:07
> Subject: [HOT] Request for enhancement to the Task Manager
> Can the Task manager be modified to only show the validate option when
> editing with JOSM please?
> The reason for the request is I've just spot checked a recently validated
> tile.
> The Validator had joined OSM two hours previously, had not completed any
> tiles, had missed four buildings that were tagged area=yes, and four
> highways that were left completely untagged.  These are all things that
> JOSM validation would have picked up.
> I don't want to spend time double checking other validators's work but
> neither do I want the data quality to suffer and this seems to be a
> reasonable way to prevent the worst, and yes I accept that on a tile with
> nothing to map iD or something can do a wonderful job validating but its to
> catch the more complex things like buildings with the wrong tags and
> untagged highways that iD isn't quite so good at that I'd like the change
> for.
> Cheerio John
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