[HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Mikel Maron mikel.maron at gmail.com
Fri Dec 15 14:07:12 UTC 2017

The hot at openstreetmap.org mailing list is not subject to any more restrictions than any other OSMF maintained list. It is not restricted to HOT members and partners, nor is it subject to HOT governance.
Here is my response from yesterday clarifying, in case you missed it.
> Sure, a simple clarification. The OSMF hosted mailing lists fall under the etiquette and moderation guidelines at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette. The HOT Code of Conduct applies to different domains and set of actors, most especially Voting Members of HOT. 

I don't see value in an additional mailing list myself, but rather encourage better and more intentional use of the resources we have.

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

    On Friday, December 15, 2017, 6:54:56 AM EST, <martin at noblecourt.eu> wrote:  
 Dear all,

This is actually another interesting topic!
If we move for a more general mailing list on international 
development/humanitarian topics (not restricted to the HOT membership 
and partners), I would suggest maybe not to use the "humanitarian" word 
that is only describing a subset of this scope of activities.
Since development can be confusing with IT development, I would suggest 
something like international at openstreetmap.org

However creating doesn't always do the trick: we've seen it with the 
hot-francophone mailing list that was created to generate more exchanges 
between Francophone countries (in particular Africa & Haiti) on 
development topics and is not super successful because the communities 
we wanted to exchange with are not big fans of mailing lists for 
cultural reasons.



On 15/12/2017 12:42, Milo van der Linden wrote:
> Could we ask the OSMF if we can set up a
> humanitarian at openstreetmap.org mailing list that is not subject of HOT
> restrictions and open to everyone under the same rules and regulations
> of other OSM mailinglists?
> 2017-12-14 18:40 GMT+01:00 nicolas chavent
> <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>:
>> Dear all HOT Us Inc members, subscribers of the hot at openstreetmap
>> mailing-list and OSMF members,
>> There's is something weird in Dale Kunce (HOT US Inc President and
>> OSMF member) in this email announcing that the HOT US Inc Code of
>> Conduct https://www.hotosm.org/hot_code_of_conduct [1] will be
>> enforced on the hot at openstreetmap mailing-list (an OpenStreetMap
>> mailing list to discuss uses of OSM in the humanitarian and
>> development sectors [1]) which like other OpenStreetMap thematic
>> mailing lists [2] (software development, tagging etc ...) and other
>> discussions fora (wiki, forum etc) belong to the commons of the
>> OpenStreetMap project and is regulated via the OSMF and the OSM
>> members and is yet not subject to agreed upon and enforced CoC as
>> reminded by the last OSMF election discussions [3].
>> It would be beneficial for the regulations of the OpenStreetMap
>> commons, that the President of HOT US Inc refrain from enforcing his
>> own organization's conversational policy and procedures (which has
>> never been voted by the HOT US Inc membership) over an OSM mailing
>> list and narrow his focus and actions on the resources of his own
>> organizations (membership mailing list, tools etc) or the
>> conversations of the HOT US Inc membership.
>> It would also be beneficial to assess and look at the moderation of
>> the hot at openstreetmap mailing-list from a non HOT US Inc only
>> perspective, shall we want this list to be the mailing list of
>> anyone OpenStreeMap members (and not yet members) interested into
>> the use of OpenStreetMap diversified and decentralized and not the
>> list of only-one organization of the OpenStreetMap ecosystem active
>> across the humanitarian and development sectors.
>> Best,
>> Nicolas
>> [1]: http://lists [3].openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
>> [2]: http://wiki [4].openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
>> [3]: https://lists
>> [5].openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-December/subject.html
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Dale Kunce <dale.kunce at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Earlier today someone on this list made some rude and disparaging
>>> remarks about the iD developers. This is not the first time an
>>> outside supporting group has been attacked by members of this
>>> list. Your words have meaning. Your words can have far greater
>>> impact than you believe. One individual, not elected, can have a
>>> huge negative impact that directly affects HOT's mission.
>>> One of HOT's biggest fans and supporters has unsubscribed from
>>> this list, rightly so, because of these attacks. The individual
>>> was and is key to helping the OSM community with important
>>> technology tools that we need to map better.
>>> I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the
>>> Code of Conduct https://www.hotosm.org/hot_code_of_conduct [1]. It
>>> will be enforced and offenders will be asked to leave our
>>> community if you cannot help us form a positive welcoming
>>> community. The Code of Conduct is not for some special group to
>>> enforce the power of a strong CoC lies with the community to
>>> enforce good positive communication norms.
>>> Thanks
>>> --
>>> sent from my mobile device
>>> Dale Kunce
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> HOT mailing list
>>> HOT at openstreetmap.org
>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot [2]
>> --
>> Nicolas Chavent
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