[HOT] [Osmf-talk] [hotosm-membership] Re: Code of Conduct Reminder

Fri Dec 15 16:25:34 UTC 2017

It will be great if we don't open more mailing lists and we try to
collaborate and unify efforts in the current lists

Thanks,

M

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:07 AM, Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com> wrote:

> The hot at openstreetmap.org mailing list is not subject to any more
> restrictions than any other OSMF maintained list. It is not restricted to
> HOT members and partners, nor is it subject to HOT governance.
>
> Here is my response from yesterday clarifying, in case you missed it.
>
> > Sure, a simple clarification. The OSMF hosted mailing lists fall under
> the etiquette and moderation guidelines at http://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/Etiquette. The HOT Code of Conduct applies to different domains
> and set of actors, most especially Voting Members of HOT.
>
> I don't see value in an additional mailing list myself, but rather
> encourage better and more intentional use of the resources we have.
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
>
> On Friday, December 15, 2017, 6:54:56 AM EST, <martin at noblecourt.eu>
> wrote:
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> This is actually another interesting topic!
> If we move for a more general mailing list on international
> development/humanitarian topics (not restricted to the HOT membership
> and partners), I would suggest maybe not to use the "humanitarian" word
> that is only describing a subset of this scope of activities.
> Since development can be confusing with IT development, I would suggest
> something like international at openstreetmap.org
>
> However creating doesn't always do the trick: we've seen it with the
> hot-francophone mailing list that was created to generate more exchanges
> between Francophone countries (in particular Africa & Haiti) on
> development topics and is not super successful because the communities
> we wanted to exchange with are not big fans of mailing lists for
> cultural reasons.
>
> Best
>
> Martin
>
> On 15/12/2017 12:42, Milo van der Linden wrote:
> > Could we ask the OSMF if we can set up a
> > humanitarian at openstreetmap.org mailing list that is not subject of HOT
> > restrictions and open to everyone under the same rules and regulations
> > of other OSM mailinglists?
> >
> > 2017-12-14 18:40 GMT+01:00 nicolas chavent
> > <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Dear all HOT Us Inc members, subscribers of the hot at openstreetmap
> >> mailing-list and OSMF members,
> >>
> >> There's is something weird in Dale Kunce (HOT US Inc President and
> >> OSMF member) in this email announcing that the HOT US Inc Code of
> >> Conduct https://www.hotosm.org/hot_code_of_conduct [1] will be
> >> enforced on the hot at openstreetmap mailing-list (an OpenStreetMap
> >> mailing list to discuss uses of OSM in the humanitarian and
> >> development sectors [1]) which like other OpenStreetMap thematic
> >> mailing lists [2] (software development, tagging etc ...) and other
> >> discussions fora (wiki, forum etc) belong to the commons of the
> >> OpenStreetMap project and is regulated via the OSMF and the OSM
> >> members and is yet not subject to agreed upon and enforced CoC as
> >> reminded by the last OSMF election discussions [3].
> >>
> >> It would be beneficial for the regulations of the OpenStreetMap
> >> commons, that the President of HOT US Inc refrain from enforcing his
> >> own organization's conversational policy and procedures (which has
> >> never been voted by the HOT US Inc membership) over an OSM mailing
> >> list and narrow his focus and actions on the resources of his own
> >> organizations (membership mailing list, tools etc) or the
> >> conversations of the HOT US Inc membership.
> >> It would also be beneficial to assess and look at the moderation of
> >> the hot at openstreetmap mailing-list from a non HOT US Inc only
> >> perspective, shall we want this list to be the mailing list of
> >> anyone OpenStreeMap members (and not yet members) interested into
> >> the use of OpenStreetMap diversified and decentralized and not the
> >> list of only-one organization of the OpenStreetMap ecosystem active
> >> across the humanitarian and development sectors.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Nicolas
> >>
> >> [1]: http://lists [3].openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
> >> [2]: http://wiki [4].openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
> >> [3]: https://lists
> >> [5].openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-December/subject.html
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Dale Kunce <dale.kunce at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Earlier today someone on this list made some rude and disparaging
> >>> remarks about the iD developers. This is not the first time an
> >>> outside supporting group has been attacked by members of this
> >>> list. Your words have meaning. Your words can have far greater
> >>> impact than you believe. One individual, not elected, can have a
> >>> huge negative impact that directly affects HOT's mission.
> >>>
> >>> One of HOT's biggest fans and supporters has unsubscribed from
> >>> this list, rightly so, because of these attacks. The individual
> >>> was and is key to helping the OSM community with important
> >>> technology tools that we need to map better.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the
> >>> Code of Conduct https://www.hotosm.org/hot_code_of_conduct [1]. It
> >>> will be enforced and offenders will be asked to leave our
> >>> community if you cannot help us form a positive welcoming
> >>> community. The Code of Conduct is not for some special group to
> >>> enforce the power of a strong CoC lies with the community to
> >>> enforce good positive communication norms.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> sent from my mobile device
> >>>
> >>> Dale Kunce
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> HOT mailing list
> >>> HOT at openstreetmap.org
> >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot [2]
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Nicolas Chavent
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> HOT mailing list
> >> HOT at openstreetmap.org
> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot [2]
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> > --
> >
> >          [8]
> >
> > MILO VAN DER LINDEN
> >
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Saludos y gracias,

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